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Jun 28, 2019 - 11:23:02 AM
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10341 posts since 9/23/2009

Not perfect, of course (wouldn't that be scary...lol????) but just something I felt like playing today. Got my fiddle in GDGD.

youtu.be/7ayBzIIRvVg

Jun 28, 2019 - 3:50:41 PM

2933 posts since 6/21/2007

As I noted on YT, one of my favorite OT tunes, Peggy. I have several banjo tabs and fiddle sheets laying around that I hope to get to work on someday (hopefully soon).

Jun 28, 2019 - 3:54:15 PM

53 posts since 6/11/2019

Very pretty!! Flat all them 3rds and 7ths! Nice bowing tempo, too. Made me want to go out and pick blackberries, or sit on the bluff and contemplate the view, all those kind of laid-back country things.

I don't cross-tune due to the situations I play in, but that's the only way to get that fiddly 1/5 chord with open-string drones we all like to hear. Thanks for sharing.

Jun 28, 2019 - 6:22:32 PM

10341 posts since 9/23/2009

Thanks, guys! I appreciate the comments.

Jun 29, 2019 - 4:20:34 AM
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loy

USA

882 posts since 6/23/2007

This is one of my favorite tunes Peggy and you really nailed it! Thanks! Loy

Jun 29, 2019 - 4:29:41 AM

10341 posts since 9/23/2009

Thank you, Loy.

Jul 2, 2019 - 6:18:24 PM
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140 posts since 7/31/2018

Carpenter must have had the tune "Come All Ye Fair and Tender Ladies" in his head (or at least known of it), because Elk River Blues is remarkably similar to it, even down to the unusual phrasing:

Come All Ye Fair and Tender Ladies

Jul 3, 2019 - 6:31:57 PM
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10341 posts since 9/23/2009

For sure there are similarities...except ERB goes straight to the IV chord in the A part and gets an entirely different feel from F&TL, which goes along on the I chord...F&TL requires the ii minor as it evolves to the B part...as ERB evolves toward the B part, the minor is optional, really, and it isn't apparent from the fiddling alone whether you should be in the ii minor or the V at that point...either would be ok. I think the similarity is much stronger in that there really isn't a real B part in either, just short phrases that spin off the A parts into a sort of pseudo B part...lol...in my opinion. But the direction they take is very different, chord-wise/melody-wise, to my ear, anyway. I've played them both quite a bit and I've heard a lot of people say they are pretty much the same, but I think there are more differences than similarities...imho.  Of course I could be entirely off track in my thinking...lol...being the back porch fiddler and self-taught musician that I am...but it's just my current thoughts.  thanks, so much, Paul, for commenting and opening up the discussion.

Edited by - groundhogpeggy on 07/03/2019 18:39:53

Jul 3, 2019 - 7:17:56 PM
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140 posts since 7/31/2018

You're welcome, Peggy, and thank you for presenting it!

Jul 4, 2019 - 4:16:12 AM

10341 posts since 9/23/2009

Your most recent video was quite "cheesy," by the way...lol...wow...what are friends for???? I got a good laugh out of it...thanks!

Edited by - groundhogpeggy on 07/04/2019 04:16:35

Jul 4, 2019 - 5:43:54 AM
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DougD

USA

9203 posts since 12/2/2007

I'm with Paul on this. I listened to the Ernie Carpenter recording on YouTube and five years ago someone pointed out the similarity. Chords are variable, really chosen by the accompanist, but the melodies are very similar.

Edited by - DougD on 07/04/2019 05:44:36

Jul 4, 2019 - 6:50:58 AM

10341 posts since 9/23/2009

Interesting! But watch out, Doug...you might be innocently fiddling away one day when someone delivers a flying slice of cheese your way...lol...like in Paul's last video...lol. Crazy. I see the most difference in the two tunes starting out in the very first line...it just goes in a different direction right off the bat, to my ear...maybe I need the cheese slice across the head...lol.

Jul 4, 2019 - 7:55:18 AM
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DougD

USA

9203 posts since 12/2/2007

Sorry I'm missing the cheese references Peggy - the only TOTW YouTubes I ever have time for are Reina del Cid. Not "old time" but she has some great ones you might enjoy.

Jul 4, 2019 - 9:42:15 AM
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10341 posts since 9/23/2009

Thanks, Doug...I'll look into that. Paul Kirk's latest video is what the cheesiness refers to...I won't spoil it...when you get the chance, might wanna look up his latest on youtube. First I was shocked, then I laughed...and laughed quite a few times...it just got sillier and sillier...yet, the moral is...a focused fiddler just keeps on a-fiddlin'!

Jul 4, 2019 - 10:33:06 AM
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DougD

USA

9203 posts since 12/2/2007

I really like Reina del Cid's approach (including her choice of name) and her pal Toni Lindgren is quite a guitar player. They seem to have a lot of fun with their weekly videos - here are some I've enjoyed:
Reina Del Cid
1.I Shall Be Released youtu.be/In7MChGC2Wo
2.Beyond the Sea youtu.be/frnEK51LG-A
3.Coconut youtu.be/0vOkTyk8u60
4.Rockin' Around the Christmas Tree youtu.be/FuzM483wg-A
5.Jambalaya youtu.be/Q3aBTJIanDo
6.Grand Canyon youtu.be/4OTu40qd5rs
7.Monkey and the Engineer youtu.be/lFRVimQpj3w

Back on topic, it occurs to me that we're really talking about a whole family of songs/tunes that includes "Silver Dagger,"Katy Dear," "Awake, awake you Drowsy Sleeper," and possibly "Man of Constant Sorrow."

Jul 4, 2019 - 11:22:34 AM

140 posts since 7/31/2018

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Originally posted by groundhogpeggy

Thanks, Doug...I'll look into that. Paul Kirk's latest video is what the cheesiness refers to...I won't spoil it...when you get the chance, might wanna look up his latest on youtube. First I was shocked, then I laughed...and laughed quite a few times...it just got sillier and sillier...yet, the moral is...a focused fiddler just keeps on a-fiddlin'!


OMG Peggy, too funny. And YES! That is the moral of the story (if there really IS one here, other than pure silliness)

A friend of mine had shown me all those silly Cheese Challenge videos and the notion crept into my head one evening to do this. And no, I wasn't drunk at the time, but perhaps a bit slap happy. So I thought, "what the hay?" and we did it about a week later. Surprisingly, that was the first take. My friend Stephen (banjo player you see in most of my TOTW videos) is noticaebly absent. He rolled his eyes any time I mentioned it and after seeing the video said he had no words. Still LOL here.

Jul 4, 2019 - 6:41:42 PM
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10341 posts since 9/23/2009

I hadn't seen other videos like that. I really didn't expect something like that. It really shocked me at first when this happened to you...lol...I don't wanna give it away...I went from shock to busting out laughing, then the replays were just hilarious.

Jul 4, 2019 - 6:47:37 PM

10341 posts since 9/23/2009

Yes Doug...they are all similar. Yet, to me, Elk River Blues just twists around in a different way than the rest of them do.

Jul 5, 2019 - 7:50:05 AM
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140 posts since 7/31/2018

Well, I'm the only one fiddling (or playing any music, for that matter) for the Challenge. I actually had thought to play Rat Cheese Under the Hill, but decided on Galleynipper.

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