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Jun 18, 2019 - 1:18:50 PM

haggis

Scotland

319 posts since 10/19/2009

Can anyone give me a good practical use for the diminished SCALE other than creating a diminished arpeggio? Even the arp I find difficult to place, other than theoretically?

Jun 18, 2019 - 2:04:46 PM
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1393 posts since 4/6/2014

Use it over the dominant seventh chord in a minor chord progression eg: Bm7b5///|E7///|Am///|.... use G# dim scale over the E7 Chord....
maybe over the Bm7b5 as well????

Jun 18, 2019 - 4:26:04 PM
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4725 posts since 9/26/2008

The band Phish has a few songs that use the diminished scale during instrumental parts. The Rift album and the Junta album both have songs that use it.

Jun 18, 2019 - 5:01:53 PM
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1601 posts since 12/11/2008

I've found the diminished scale isn't the most useful one for fiddling (at its best it just adds a little spice), but the diminished chord makes for a wonderful, jazzy passing chord when you are doing accompaniments. It is also extremely easy to make on the guitar. Because it is a closed chord it is also very easy to move around.

Jun 19, 2019 - 5:10:26 AM

RobBob

USA

2683 posts since 6/26/2007

Often important in rags and some old raggy tunes the older rural and newer tunes don't use it much.

Jun 19, 2019 - 7:11:20 AM

1393 posts since 4/6/2014

Gypsy swing uses it A LOT in improvising, mostly in the way i described earlier (over the dominant chord in a minor progression), as it is the 7th mode of the Harmonic minor scale. And as such, both the Chord (and arpeggio), and the scale/mode can be substituted for each other, or played over each other. Just like substituting the V7 chord for the VII chord, or the Mixolydian and Locrian modes in a Major chord progression...Suppose it could be used in a "Borrowed" chord/arp/scale/mode context as well??

Jun 21, 2019 - 2:39:52 PM

1393 posts since 4/6/2014

quote:
Originally posted by haggis

Can anyone give me a good practical use for the diminished SCALE other than creating a diminished arpeggio? Even the arp I find difficult to place, other than theoretically?


so did you find a practical use?

Dec 11, 2019 - 7:40:35 AM

4260 posts since 6/23/2007

In one of my 5 string banjo books. the author not only identified the major chords, but at the end of some licks identified the portion which is really a part of a different chord. Lots 7ths, augmented. and diminished chords. Usually just a couple of notes. But until I used that Bill Knopf book, I had never thought much about using these chords. That got me into studying chord transitioning techniques.

One of the few incidents where a banjo instructional provided info I can use when playing fiddle or guitar. It is usually the other way around.

Dec 11, 2019 - 10:24:22 AM
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1393 posts since 4/6/2014

Play E7 arp over an E7 chord and it will sound lifeless (in Amin). Play G#dim (or G mixolydian with a sharpened root), over it and it injects life

The beauty is in the difference not the similarity.

Dec 11, 2019 - 2:04:19 PM
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250 posts since 12/2/2013

Here's an exercise for using it during a dominant V chord. (WH & HW sequences)


Edited by - mmuussiiccaall on 12/11/2019 14:06:58

Jul 10, 2020 - 8:35:25 PM
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3510 posts since 12/8/2007

At Humboldt State University back in the 80s my flatmate and I took this Jazz Theory course. As Pete on fiddle notes, we learned that we could use a diminished scale over the dominant 7th. So OF COURSE we started to inject these diminished lics into blues and southern rock songs. Indeed, at one of our gigs with our band, we were playing "Musta Done Somebody Wrong" by Elmore James (or Allman Bros.) when right afterwards my girlfriend (now wife) said, "Whatever you guys are doing on guitar, STOP! Use the lics you usually use!"

The problem, I'm certain, wasn't with the diminished scale but rather our delivery of it!

The moral here, I think, is that the good players know HOW to spice up some songs/tunes with the diminished.

Jul 11, 2020 - 12:42:29 PM

217 posts since 6/21/2012

quote:
Originally posted by ChickenMan

The band Phish has a few songs that use the diminished scale during instrumental parts. The Rift album and the Junta album both have songs that use it.


Wow! A Phish reference, and I didn't even have to make it myself!

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