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Jun 18, 2019 - 1:18:50 PM

haggis

Scotland

319 posts since 10/19/2009

Can anyone give me a good practical use for the diminished SCALE other than creating a diminished arpeggio? Even the arp I find difficult to place, other than theoretically?

Jun 18, 2019 - 2:04:46 PM

1286 posts since 4/6/2014

Use it over the dominant seventh chord in a minor chord progression eg: Bm7b5///|E7///|Am///|.... use G# dim scale over the E7 Chord....
maybe over the Bm7b5 as well????

Jun 18, 2019 - 4:26:04 PM

4422 posts since 9/26/2008

The band Phish has a few songs that use the diminished scale during instrumental parts. The Rift album and the Junta album both have songs that use it.

Jun 18, 2019 - 5:01:53 PM
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1441 posts since 12/11/2008

I've found the diminished scale isn't the most useful one for fiddling (at its best it just adds a little spice), but the diminished chord makes for a wonderful, jazzy passing chord when you are doing accompaniments. It is also extremely easy to make on the guitar. Because it is a closed chord it is also very easy to move around.

Jun 19, 2019 - 5:10:26 AM

RobBob

USA

2652 posts since 6/26/2007

Often important in rags and some old raggy tunes the older rural and newer tunes don't use it much.

Jun 19, 2019 - 7:11:20 AM

1286 posts since 4/6/2014

Gypsy swing uses it A LOT in improvising, mostly in the way i described earlier (over the dominant chord in a minor progression), as it is the 7th mode of the Harmonic minor scale. And as such, both the Chord (and arpeggio), and the scale/mode can be substituted for each other, or played over each other. Just like substituting the V7 chord for the VII chord, or the Mixolydian and Locrian modes in a Major chord progression...Suppose it could be used in a "Borrowed" chord/arp/scale/mode context as well??

Jun 21, 2019 - 2:39:52 PM

1286 posts since 4/6/2014

quote:
Originally posted by haggis

Can anyone give me a good practical use for the diminished SCALE other than creating a diminished arpeggio? Even the arp I find difficult to place, other than theoretically?


so did you find a practical use?

Dec 11, 2019 - 7:40:35 AM

4194 posts since 6/23/2007

In one of my 5 string banjo books. the author not only identified the major chords, but at the end of some licks identified the portion which is really a part of a different chord. Lots 7ths, augmented. and diminished chords. Usually just a couple of notes. But until I used that Bill Knopf book, I had never thought much about using these chords. That got me into studying chord transitioning techniques.

One of the few incidents where a banjo instructional provided info I can use when playing fiddle or guitar. It is usually the other way around.

Dec 11, 2019 - 10:24:22 AM

1286 posts since 4/6/2014

Play E7 arp over an E7 chord and it will sound lifeless (in Amin). Play G#dim (or G mixolydian with a sharpened root), over it and it injects life

The beauty is in the difference not the similarity.

Dec 11, 2019 - 2:04:19 PM
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223 posts since 12/2/2013

Here's an exercise for using it during a dominant V chord. (WH & HW sequences)


Edited by - mmuussiiccaall on 12/11/2019 14:06:58

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