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Dec 5, 2018 - 10:46:52 AM
6769 posts since 3/19/2009

I have a fiddling friend who just so happens to be a member here on the Hangout.. I told him that I would not mention his name...although maybe he'll chime in on the topic.
We were in a jam last night and I noticed that his bow pressure is a little tentative, it seems to be 1/2 inch from the bridge one moment and 4 INCHES from the bridge the next moment..How he gets a tune out is beyond me...
It may sound like I'm Complaining but I'm Not....I'm actually a little envious ...In spite of his technique.. he has that GREAT OLD TIME SOUND...good rhythm, and perfect finger placement..
I've posted in the past about people who have had not formal training but can still get good old time sound......Yep... My bow  should be so out of control!!!laugh

Dec 5, 2018 - 1:53:46 PM
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bees

USA

71 posts since 6/16/2016

I was watching Michael Cleveland on Bluegrass Underground the other day and his bow grip would not likely pass inspection at the local conservatory but wow can he wail away on that thing!!!

Dec 5, 2018 - 3:34:44 PM

DougD

USA

8848 posts since 12/2/2007

Have you ever watched Tommy Jarrell? youtu.be/-nKktAZvTIg
He used the up and down movement as another way to accent. There are other examples.

Dec 5, 2018 - 3:39:05 PM

6769 posts since 3/19/2009

quote:
Originally posted by DougD

Have you ever watched Tommy Jarrell? youtu.be/-nKktAZvTIg
He used the up and down movement as another way to accent. There are other examples.


Right...!. My friend's bow does what Tommy's bow does... I'll have to loosen up a bit.

Dec 5, 2018 - 4:57:49 PM

5 posts since 11/28/2018

What am I missing here? 1). In the Youtube of TJ it looks like his bow is alway pretty close to the end of the fingerboard (+/- half an inch or so). By comparison, Lee, it sounds like your friend's is moving 3.5 inches. 2). When I think of 'tentative' bow pressure, I envision the weak, scratchy sound we've all heard from too little pressure, not movement perpendicular to the strings. This never sounds OK IMO.

For me, the bottom line is always 'how does it sound?'. If someone gets a great Old Time sound I don't think it matters where the bow is relative to the bridge, what 'shuffle' they are using, whether it's with upbows or downbows, etc. Unless, of course, they're getting a great Old-Time sound while trying to play Mozart

Dec 5, 2018 - 5:26:53 PM

DougD

USA

8848 posts since 12/2/2007

Here's another video of Tommy: youtu.be/bDJPnG3RDxU
It looks to me that his bow is moving more than ± 1/2 inch. Lee seems to be attributing his friend's bow motion to lack of pressure, but with Tommy it was deliberate to achieve an effect he wanted. He had plenty of bow pressure.

Dec 5, 2018 - 7:03:54 PM

6769 posts since 3/19/2009

quote:
Originally posted by Woodcutter

What am I missing here? 1). In the Youtube of TJ it looks like his bow is alway pretty close to the end of the fingerboard (+/- half an inch or so). By comparison, Lee, it sounds like your friend's is moving 3.5 inches. 2). When I think of 'tentative' bow pressure, I envision the weak, scratchy sound we've all heard from too little pressure, not movement perpendicular to the strings. This never sounds OK IMO.

For me, the bottom line is always 'how does it sound?'. If someone gets a great Old Time sound I don't think it matters where the bow is relative to the bridge, what 'shuffle' they are using, whether it's with upbows or downbows, etc. Unless, of course, they're getting a great Old-Time sound while trying to play Mozart


I have no disagreement with your comments.... But I DID see Tommy's bow several inches from the bridge at one point... Anyway..Yes it is the Sound that counts.. and that is the point of my OP.. My friend LOOKS like he is out of control when he plays, but he is getting that good old sound !!  I didn't want this post to be about comparing my friend's bowing to Tommy's... It is about the appearance of being out of control but obviously, being under some sort of control..that I don't have..sad

Edited by - TuneWeaver on 12/05/2018 19:07:40

Dec 5, 2018 - 7:13:06 PM

493 posts since 1/25/2012

Sometimes you play toward the fingerboard for a certain sound, sometimes toward the bridge. There is no one way to play it, except things get quieter and murkier toward the fingerboard and brighter and louder toward the bridge.

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