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Jul 11, 2018 - 9:25:20 AM
912 posts since 3/19/2009

I’m wondering if anyone might know how to transcribe or how I might transcribe this tune. It’s a familiar old fiddle tune and I’m sure many versions better than this, but I want to play it note for note like he does here. You see he’s an old fiddler friend of mine and he has succumbed to Parkinson’s disease and can’t play anymore. He won many local Fiddle Contests playing it this way and I’d like to learn it his way in honor of him. 

https://youtu.be/XvMIPM8MTcI

https://youtu.be/XvMIPM8MTcI

Jul 11, 2018 - 11:16:52 AM
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1441 posts since 10/22/2007

I sympathize with you Jeff.
He has a great version.
Inspiring. Makes me want to learn it.
Do you play a version now?
Like the one in the Fiddler's Fakebook?
There are software's that transcribe, but sometimes one must do a "best fit" with the output file.

Jul 11, 2018 - 11:36:10 AM
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DougD

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8661 posts since 12/2/2007

I think his version is pretty similar to other (or "standard") versions, so in this case you might be able to start with another transcription and change the parts where he diverges. It will take some listening and work, but it might be a place to start.
Do you need a transcription to learn from, or could you just learn it from that video, possibly by slowing it down? If you do the transcription yourself you'll have to learn it first anyway.

Jul 11, 2018 - 12:31:40 PM
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Hi Jeffery,

Here's a transcription I did of the tune not very long ago. As Doug suggested it has the main elements of the tune from which you can change things to match your friends playing. I like his playing. Too bad he can't play now. Hope this helps.


Edited by - abinigia on 07/11/2018 12:32:59

Jul 11, 2018 - 5:33:51 PM
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1898 posts since 8/23/2008

If you didn't know how to write musical notation then there is TAB which is real easy. I have transcribed many tunes from simple folk tunes to difficult Gypsy tunes. In the old days I used a 6o's reel to reel recorder and it could play the tunes at half speed. Transcribing took many times listening and rewinding, but I would only transcribe a phrase at a time, and I would not move to the next phrase until I had the previous notated correctly. I used my guitar to find the notes because it was easy to hold whilst I did the rewinding. So I would not play any part of the tune on the violin until I had the whole tune transcribed. Computer apps makes transcribing much easier with the facilities they have..

Jul 11, 2018 - 5:52:58 PM

2297 posts since 10/6/2008

If I wanted to play it like this, I'd slow it down and work through measure by measure, figuring out the notes and the bowing and jotting it all down.

If I weren't so busy right now, I'd offer to dive in and help. I've always thought it would be fun to figure out a tune like that as a collaborative effort because there would be places that people would hear it differently or see different bowing and it would be fun to (very cordially) figure out what was really going on.

If you find a part that's tough to puzzle out, post a note and I'll take a look. And, I'm guessing others would, too!

Jul 11, 2018 - 7:43:01 PM

912 posts since 3/19/2009

quote:Originally posted by farmerjonesI sympathize with you Jeff.
He has a great version.
Inspiring. Makes me want to learn it.

Thanks, he does have his own way of playing. He was one of the first local Fiddlers I ever heard and always admired his Fiddlin
Do you play a version now?

i do play a Version but not quite the way he does it. That’s why I was hoping to figure out a way to transcribe it. 


Like the one in the Fiddler's Fakebook?
There are software's that transcribe, but sometimes one must do a "best fit" with the output file.

Thanks for your help

Jul 11, 2018 - 7:48:06 PM

912 posts since 3/19/2009

quote:
Originally posted by DougD

I think his version is pretty similar to other (or "standard") versions, so in this case you might be able to start with another transcription and change the parts where he diverges. It will take some listening and work, but it might be a place to start.

Thanks. Good idea
Do you need a transcription to learn from, or could you just learn it from that video, possibly by slowing it down?

I have slowed it down on YouTube and working on it that way  

If you do the transcription yourself you'll have to learn it first anyway.


Jul 11, 2018 - 7:50:35 PM

912 posts since 3/19/2009

quote:
Originally posted by abinigia

Hi Jeffery,

Here's a transcription I did of the tune not very long ago. As Doug suggested it has the main elements of the tune from which you can change things to match your friends playing. I like his playing. Too bad he can't play now. Hope this helps.

 Thanks  . . . that's very kind of you and a big help  


Jul 11, 2018 - 7:55:54 PM
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912 posts since 3/19/2009

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Originally posted by buckhenry

If you didn't know how to write musical notation then there is TAB which is real easy.

Yes, I have written tablature before  

I have transcribed many tunes from simple folk tunes to difficult Gypsy tunes. In the old days I used a 6o's reel to reel recorder and it could play the tunes at half speed. Transcribing took many times listening and rewinding, but I would only transcribe a phrase at a time, and I would not move to the next phrase until I had the previous notated correctly. I used my guitar to find the notes because it was easy to hold whilst I did the rewinding. So I would not play any part of the tune on the violin until I had the whole tune transcribed. Computer apps makes transcribing much easier with the facilities they have..

i think I might try that I have been using the YouTube slowdowner but it would be nice to have something in writing . . . more Concrete  


Jul 11, 2018 - 7:58:17 PM

912 posts since 3/19/2009

Cyndy Thanks for your help. I have been using the slowdowner.
Appreciate your help.

Jul 12, 2018 - 4:16:53 AM

DougD

USA

8661 posts since 12/2/2007

Is this the same fiddler? youtu.be/YqNZS2HDxAM That video might be a little clearer to work from.

Jul 12, 2018 - 4:30:32 AM

912 posts since 3/19/2009

DougD Yes, that’s him . . . “Charming Charlie Sipes” and all of us playing @ a Nursing Home some years ago. That is a better recording . . . Thanks Doug . . . i Had forgotten that one.

Jul 12, 2018 - 5:01:16 AM

3614 posts since 9/26/2008

And is that YOU taking the break on the gitfiddle (as my grandpa would call it)? Not bad.

Jul 12, 2018 - 5:06:29 AM

912 posts since 3/19/2009

ChickenMan Yes, that would be me . . . back before my hair turned all grey. ??

Jul 12, 2018 - 11:20:39 AM

708 posts since 7/26/2015

So sorry to hear that Charlie has Parkinson's. I had no idea. Man, his version of Katy Hill is really cool. I might have to learn that one myself.
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Originally posted by jefferylong

DougD Yes, that’s him . . . “Charming Charlie Sipes” and all of us playing @ a Nursing Home some years ago. That is a better recording . . . Thanks Doug . . . i Had forgotten that one.


Jul 12, 2018 - 11:36:19 AM

708 posts since 7/26/2015

This may go without saying, but if you know who his heroes were, perhaps finding their versions would give some insight into what he's doing. Seems like I remember Jimmy Shumate playing a similar version.
What are you having trouble with? Is there a certain section that seems particularly difficult to transcribe?

Edited by - soppinthegravy on 07/12/2018 11:44:10

Jul 12, 2018 - 11:51:25 AM

912 posts since 3/19/2009

soppinthegravy Good point . . . hadnt thought of that. I know he always said he liked Tommy Jackson . . . listened to him a lot.

Jul 12, 2018 - 12:13:49 PM

708 posts since 7/26/2015

The more I listen to it, the more I think his basic melody came from Tommy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yb8lgxdpuKw Here's a link to my TablEdit file of Tommy's version. https://www.fiddlehangout.com/tab/browse.asp?m=detail&v=2630 and a PDF.
quote:
Originally posted by jefferylong

soppinthegravy Good point . . . hadnt thought of that. I know he always said he liked Tommy Jackson . . . listened to him a lot.



Jul 12, 2018 - 8:58:46 PM

912 posts since 3/19/2009

soppinthegravy Thank you so much . . . that is wonderful. Yes, Tommy Jackson was his favorite. I’ve heard him mention that many times.

Jul 12, 2018 - 10:44:35 PM
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708 posts since 7/26/2015

Here's a really rough transcription of what I think was his "straight" melody. I'm fairly confident about the A part, but I think he only played the B part like this on the first pass through, so perhaps, it's not the most accurate representation of his version.


Edited by - soppinthegravy on 07/12/2018 22:47:34

Jul 13, 2018 - 5:13:29 AM

912 posts since 3/19/2009

soppinthegravy Thanks so much. I was hoping someone might be knowledgeable enough to do this. Really appreciate it.

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