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Jun 13, 2018 - 1:41:43 AM
868 posts since 7/26/2015

Here's a different question aimed at the folks who have listened to my playing on here: What appear to be strengths as a fiddler? I've heard folks say to people, "Play to your strengths" or "Stick to your strengths", and although I don't want to be limited, I'd like to hear some opinions on which areas in which I'm strong. Better at certain licks than other licks?


Here's a link to my music files: fiddlehangout.com/myhangout/mu...pagenum=1

Edited by - soppinthegravy on 06/13/2018 01:43:28

Jun 13, 2018 - 6:43:27 AM
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1492 posts since 10/22/2007

Obvious or not, listening to your collection tells me you know how to play.
Stop and think about that. In this day and age, that's something in itself!

 

NFN 3 pages and not one Waltz? Red Lamb says, a Waltz will tell on ya.

Edited by - farmerjones on 06/13/2018 06:52:29

Jun 13, 2018 - 8:52 AM

139 posts since 1/27/2018

A couple things I noticed about your playing is that you seem to be making a point to get all the notes in that you want. Your bowing also has plenty of vigor. I played along with some of your tracks and while our versions were quite similar, I tend to slur a lot more where you are sawing real good. For a bit of constructive criticism, I feel like your tone quality could be a little stronger, I’m sure that will develop with time though.

Jun 13, 2018 - 9:13:08 AM
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I'm not sure why anyone would tell someone else to "stick to your strengths." What does that even mean? Is that some kinder way of saying "you suck" or maybe "you suck at XXX music, stick to YYY"?

I listened to a couple of your tunes and you play really well. Why worry about your strengths? Just play the music and have fun. You're good enough to have fun, and if anything, I would think you'd have even more fun pushing yourself and working on your weaknesses, whatever they may be. (Don't ask me.)

Jun 13, 2018 - 1:37:11 PM

fujers

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5237 posts since 2/14/2008

To me I think you must play to your strengths and weakness. After all your strengths have gotten you to where you are now and weakness's are what you built on.

Jun 14, 2018 - 2:39:39 PM
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6769 posts since 3/19/2009

angelTo me, it sounds like you are getting all of the notes but are a little weak in the phrasing/emotion...Do you play with others often? Do you ever perform? I'd say, relax, slow down, put YOUR feeling into tunes.. (this is not to say that I shouldn't do this also)...It is not about the notes.. it is about the music..You are obviously talented...!!

Jun 14, 2018 - 9:27:32 PM

868 posts since 7/26/2015

Man, that's ironic, because I always cared more about emotion than melodic complexity, been pretty much in favor of the K.I.S.S. method, but I notice that I don't practice what I preach. LOL For some reason, I have the ability to put emotion into the banjo, but not the fiddle. Perhaps because I'm primarily a banjo player and picked up the fiddle chiefly because I didn't like the way most people played it and wanted to be able to show a hired fiddler how I wanted his breaks to sound.
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Originally posted by TuneWeaver

angelTo me, it sounds like you are getting all of the notes but are a little weak in the phrasing/emotion...Do you play with others often? Do you ever perform? I'd say, relax, slow down, put YOUR feeling into tunes.. (this is not to say that I shouldn't do this also)...It is not about the notes.. it is about the music..You are obviously talented...!!


Jun 15, 2018 - 4:44:09 AM

6769 posts since 3/19/2009

I did say just a LITTLE weak...

Jun 15, 2018 - 5:45:21 AM
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1492 posts since 10/22/2007

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Originally posted by soppinthegravy
Man, that's ironic, because I always cared more about emotion than melodic complexity, been pretty much in favor of the K.I.S.S. method, but I notice that I don't practice what I preach. LOL For some reason, I have the ability to put emotion into the banjo, but not the fiddle. Perhaps because I'm primarily a banjo player and picked up the fiddle chiefly because I didn't like the way most people played it and wanted to be able to show a hired fiddler how I wanted his breaks to sound.
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Originally posted by TuneWeaver

angelTo me, it sounds like you are getting all of the notes but are a little weak in the phrasing/emotion...Do you play with others often? Do you ever perform? I'd say, relax, slow down, put YOUR feeling into tunes.. (this is not to say that I shouldn't do this also)...It is not about the notes.. it is about the music..You are obviously talented...!!


 


You guys both know, when it gets to a certain level it's pretty much a mind game with yourself. You gotta know a tune well enough that it becomes sort of automatic, but on the same hand y'all want feeling, articulation and emotion.  The whole time i'm hearing Red Lamb in my ear saying, "Y'know, a reel should be played at a pretty good clip." So maybe i should sacrifice articulation for speed, when it comes to reels? I don't know? Maybe "devil may care" is the emotion to convey when playing a reel? (probably) One day i hope to put study on this. What i suspect is the perfect dance tune speed is not as fast as one would think. That's not to say the perfect dance tune, doesn't hit you in the head with the beat. Once upon a time i played with a gooooood bass player, and it was night & day better. But one hears these stories of Lone Fiddler that could carry a dance solo. I think familiarity to a dance and dancers clapping along, not to mention sentimental memory, contributes heavily. End of Friday morning ramble.

Jun 15, 2018 - 7:07:39 AM

6769 posts since 3/19/2009

Farmerjones.. you make me think (small wood burning?)....I know of a professional fiddler who is SO slick when he plays .......he is amazing.. However, like the rest of us, he has a weakness..To me, he plays so well and plays tunes so consistently that I find him boring to listen to...Seldom is there a variation..This Might make an interesting new topic.. We shall see..

Jun 15, 2018 - 8:59:05 AM
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1492 posts since 10/22/2007

Well, repeatability is an asset if you're a studio rat, er' ah, side man. The reason my St. Anne's Reel is repeatable, is cuz I'm lazy. It's a bad thing, and I know it's bad thing. I really should have more reverence for that tune. Or the other tunes I mindlessly play. And see how it comes back around? In order to give it emotion, you first need to know how to play it, and well. Then have the gumption to embellish. This is when I get sleepy or thirty or hungry.

Jun 15, 2018 - 1:13:09 PM
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OK, Sloppin'... I've listened again to MOst of your recordings.. I hear that generally you are only posting tunes played one time through with no accompaniment..
SO.. I'd say that your strength is that you are working very hard to get the tune out there..!! I'd love to see some tunes played 2-3 times through with a metronome, or accompanist..Only then could I hear how you'd fit into a jam situation..One time through tells me nothing.. It doesn't show how creative you may be or how emotional or versatile you really are..As I've said, I don't doubt your talent, but one time through does Not show us your true potential.. ... I've sent a friend request to you so maybe we can discuss this offline...Just a thought.. I don't want to sound like I'm over judgmental.. I'm trying to be supportive and just get a better feel for your true strengths.. Also... on the Hangout ,.. NOBODY is posting, at this time, More interesting topics than you are.. Keep it up.

Jun 17, 2018 - 5:32:12 PM

868 posts since 7/26/2015

Here's me playing Sally Goodin for a bunch of cloggers.
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Originally posted by TuneWeaver

OK, Sloppin'... I've listened again to MOst of your recordings.. I hear that generally you are only posting tunes played one time through with no accompaniment..
SO.. I'd say that your strength is that you are working very hard to get the tune out there..!! I'd love to see some tunes played 2-3 times through with a metronome, or accompanist..Only then could I hear how you'd fit into a jam situation..One time through tells me nothing.. It doesn't show how creative you may be or how emotional or versatile you really are..As I've said, I don't doubt your talent, but one time through does Not show us your true potential.. ... I've sent a friend request to you so maybe we can discuss this offline...Just a thought.. I don't want to sound like I'm over judgmental.. I'm trying to be supportive and just get a better feel for your true strengths.. Also... on the Hangout ,.. NOBODY is posting, at this time, More interesting topics than you are.. Keep it up.



Jun 17, 2018 - 5:50:19 PM

6769 posts since 3/19/2009

Wow, you are 'rockin' in that tune.!!

Jun 17, 2018 - 7:10:47 PM

2340 posts since 10/6/2008

I'm listening to the play list as I type and if "strengths" means the things I like, then I'd say intonation, timing, and tone. I like the overall sound a lot.

The one thing that's missing for me--totally based on personal taste--is something I'd call "pulse"--a beat, sometimes really subtle, that would have me rocking from side to side or tapping my foot without even thinking about it.

If experimenting with that would be of interest, I've found that simply playing along to my own foot tapping has made a big difference in my own attempts to find that groove.

Jun 17, 2018 - 10:48:38 PM

868 posts since 7/26/2015

I'm curious. Which one on the list comes the closest to having that pulse?
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Originally posted by Cyndy

I'm listening to the play list as I type and if "strengths" means the things I like, then I'd say intonation, timing, and tone. I like the overall sound a lot.

The one thing that's missing for me--totally based on personal taste--is something I'd call "pulse"--a beat, sometimes really subtle, that would have me rocking from side to side or tapping my foot without even thinking about it.

If experimenting with that would be of interest, I've found that simply playing along to my own foot tapping has made a big difference in my own attempts to find that groove.


Jun 18, 2018 - 6:57:21 AM

2340 posts since 10/6/2008

soppinthegravy Great question. It's a very busy day for me so I probably won't get to listen until tomorrow, but soon!

Jun 18, 2018 - 11:30:37 AM

1421 posts since 8/27/2008

For some reason your user name prompted me to start to learn Soppin' The Gravy recently. I'm learning it from a Stewart Duncan recording. And I figured you'd have an old time version, and I wanted to hear it. But I don't see it on your list. Surely you didn't name yourself for a tune you don't play?

Jun 18, 2018 - 12:17:25 PM
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DougD

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8848 posts since 12/2/2007

Maybe he just named himself after his habits at the dinner table? In any case, Lee, its not "sloppin'." That's more for the hogs.

Jun 18, 2018 - 12:24:51 PM
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Believe it or not, I don't play it. I alays thought that was odd, myself. I actually am not a fan of the tune as most people play it, but I remember liking Stuart Duncan's version. What I used to think was Soppin' the  Gravy turned out not to  be. I think what I was playing was a mix of Little Betty Brown and a See that Coon Sittin' in a Hickory Tree. Interestingly, I recently heard a local old-time fiddler with a similar take on it to mine, Billy Hazelwood, the same guy who played the tune Hickman County that we were talking about in a previous discussion.
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Originally posted by abinigia

For some reason your user name prompted me to start to learn Soppin' The Gravy recently. I'm learning it from a Stewart Duncan recording. And I figured you'd have an old time version, and I wanted to hear it. But I don't see it on your list. Surely you didn't name yourself for a tune you don't play?


Jun 18, 2018 - 1:31:46 PM

6769 posts since 3/19/2009

smileyDoug, I stand corrected.. I'll use his full 'handle' from now on

Jun 18, 2018 - 2:51:08 PM

6769 posts since 3/19/2009

SOOORRRRRY.. I didn't see this coming.. I didn't even know that there was a tune called Sloppin' The Gravy..........I looked it up.. Now I have to LEARN it.. and I will, as should  the rest of the Hangout members responding to this topic should, also..!!

Edited by - TuneWeaver on 06/18/2018 14:52:11

Jun 18, 2018 - 3:11:37 PM

275 posts since 11/12/2016

Sloppin' the hogs and soppin' up gravy! Takes me back to my childhood summers visiting kin in Vidalia GA. Can we throw in some fried catfish?

And Soppin' the Gravy's not in the Fakebook. :(

Off to google then.

Jun 18, 2018 - 3:35:57 PM

1421 posts since 8/27/2008

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Originally posted by tpquinn


And Soppin' the Gravy's not in the Fakebook. :(

Off to google then.


Here's my basic transcription. I see I left off the apostrophe from Soppin' but It'll do for now.

PS Don't mean to hijack the thread.


 

Edited by - abinigia on 06/18/2018 15:38:07

Jun 18, 2018 - 4:00:55 PM
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Here's my bastardized version, or how I used to play it. I probably  made a different tune. LOL
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Originally posted by abinigia
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Originally posted by tpquinn


And Soppin' the Gravy's not in the Fakebook. :(

Off to google then.


Here's my basic transcription. I see I left off the apostrophe from Soppin' but It'll do for now.

PS Don't mean to hijack the thread.



Edited by - soppinthegravy on 06/18/2018 16:01:41

Jun 18, 2018 - 4:42:42 PM

275 posts since 11/12/2016

Thank you sir.

And with you, I'll let the thread resume its course.

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