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May 15, 2018 - 3:21:37 PM
652 posts since 7/26/2015

  • Angeline the Baker
  • Over the Waterfall

I've heard these tunes almost all my life, but none of the old folks play Over the Waterfall, to my knowledge Those who play Angeline the Baker appear to have picked it up at festivals which have only been going on for the last 40 years or so. It's a standard in the Old-Time repertoire, but I don't see any evidence of it, or the other tune, being played in Middle Tennessee before the 1960s-70s Folk Revival.

Thoughts?

May 16, 2018 - 4:51:11 AM

3566 posts since 9/26/2008

“Over the Waterfall” became part of the OT repertoire because of field records made by Allen Jabbour of Henry Reed in the early 60s, so there would probably be no record of that one.

May 16, 2018 - 6:06:31 AM
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2163 posts since 9/13/2009

Probably go back any decade and note that tunes didn't used to be played in previous decades. Fiddle tunes travel, got introduced to a new region at some point, just simply some fiddler heard a good tune/song played... probably more so in last century with the advent of easier transportation, radio and recordings. The older generation of fiddlers didn't seem to be much concerned about origin. 

 

Angelina Baker is an old Stephan Foster song, which fiddlers and singers changed over the years.

Norman Edmunds https://youtu.be/A11cpHm49pU
Eck Dunford  https://youtu.be/A11cpHm49pU

Franklin George https://youtu.be/A11cpHm49pU

Sammy Walker http://dla.acaweb.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/berea/id/3162/rec/6

Here was similar tune with other titles
https://youtu.be/ocUuwS0GcIQ
http://dla.acaweb.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/Ferrum/id/3615/rec/7
http://dla.acaweb.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/Ferrum/id/433/rec/17
http://dla.acaweb.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/Ferrum/id/682/rec/18
 

 

May 16, 2018 - 7:37:46 AM
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42 posts since 6/7/2011

I like to play tunes that I know were played in East Tennessee where I live best I do find it more satisfying but I also play newer tunes that people have picked up from the revival era that may or may not have ever been played in my area like over the waterfall, Booth Shot Lincolin, and john browns dream etc. And its nothing new fiddlers have been sharing and learning new tunes forever. I have a list of fiddle tunes played by one if my heroes Charlie Acuff he was known for preserving many of the older fiddle tunes he learned from his grandfather but by reading the list you can see that he would also play newer tunes ones he probabily picked up from bluegrass fiddlers and old time revivial musicians. So fiddlers have always learned new tunes from many diffrent sources. One of the tunes the older fiddlers here play is Whistlin Rufus which I found out was originally a pop song written in 1899.

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