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Jun 13, 2017 - 7:35:33 PM
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fujers

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It ain't scary it';s your brother. Well it's kinda your brother if you want to call it that Thats what the G maj pentatonic is. Did you know that you could play all kinds of stuff..chords over this simple scale. It's true you can...yes sir re. With just this one simple scale there is no holding you back from playing anything in the key of G. Listen


Jun 13, 2017 - 7:45:45 PM

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oops forgot to tell you the chords I played in.

GCDG

EABE

DGCD

CFGC

ADEA

GCDG

All these chords..and I only played one scale..pretty neat ain't it. Jerry

Jun 14, 2017 - 8:35:34 AM

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Nice jerry.

Jun 14, 2017 - 10:08:04 AM

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Great job explaining that, Jerry!  Thanks!  Gonna have to fiddle around with this some.

Jun 14, 2017 - 10:09:18 AM

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I guess that same principle is gonna take us through any key?

Jun 14, 2017 - 11:27:09 AM

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Awesome Jerry, thanks!

Jun 14, 2017 - 2:25:07 PM

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Well yeah, As long as you start playing in G. Sometimes you can play this without starting in G..just as long as the G is in it

Jun 14, 2017 - 2:36:16 PM

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You're welcome Richard

Jun 14, 2017 - 3:04:52 PM

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Thanks Mark. Now what do thing would happen if you put a GCD pentatonic scale together. It sounds pretty dang good. If you were to play nothing but pents..no normal scales. You can play all night long and then some..give it a try. Jerry

Jun 14, 2017 - 5:30:04 PM

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Can you give me a definition of exactly what a pentatonic scale is...I'm not sure I understand it.

Jun 14, 2017 - 6:53:06 PM

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Sounding good Jerry!

Jun 14, 2017 - 7:05:40 PM
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Thank you Bas.

Peggy, The pentatonic scale is where you drop of the 4th and 7th notes of a maj scale. Like the G maj pentatonic if you drop the C and the F# it becomes a pent

Just remember this. If you drop the these notes on any maj key it becomes a pentatonic. Jerry

Jun 14, 2017 - 7:16:33 PM

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Thanks, Jerry!

Jun 14, 2017 - 8:30:56 PM
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Welcome

Jun 16, 2017 - 11:49:19 AM

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Or drop 2 and 6 from natural minor scale to find the Minor Pentatonic. Same difference I suppose.

Jun 16, 2017 - 4:50 PM

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Or drop 2 and 6 from natural minor scale to find the Minor Pentatonic. Same difference I suppose.


Or move every interval but the 1 & 5 of the Major Pentatonic up a half step to switch to Minor Pentatonic.

Jun 16, 2017 - 10:37:12 PM

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Take like the key of F maj scale..it's about the same as playing in Dm scale..just a few adjustments. What is the relative minor to F. Jerry

Jun 18, 2017 - 10:27:44 AM
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Peggy - A pentatonic scale is one with only five notes. They occur all over the world and there are many possibilities. There's a lengthy Wikipedia article if you want to immerse yourself in them.



As far as major pentatonics I think of them like Jerry does - a major scale without the fourth and seventh degrees, but sometimes they're described as the first five tones from the root going around the circle of fifths, rearranged to fit in one octave. In this case that would be G-D-A-E-B; rearranged that is GABDE (1,2,3,5,6). If you want to hear what it sounds like, sing or play the first phrase of the verse of "O!Susanna" - its perfectly pentatonic. Won't help you much on the chorus though - the very first note is 4, outside the scale. Also,these are the black keys on the piano, starting on Gb (transposed up a half step if you want to be in G).



The (relative) minor pentatonic scale is the same notes, but beginning on E, the relative minor of G. So the scale is E,G,A,B,D - the natural minor scale without the second or sixth degrees. Again, these are the black keys on the piano, but starting on Eb (and transposed up a half step if you want Emin.



If been using the 10 hole diatonic harmonica to study modes and tonality, and I discovered that a simple pentatonic melody, like "Amazing Grace" can be played in all three major modes, not just in C. The reason is that the "oddball" notes, (the lowered seventh in Mixolydian mode and the raised fourth in Lydian) are not in the major pentatonic scale, so it doesn't matter. Same for a simple minor pentatonic tune like "Wayfaring Stranger" - the raised sixth of Dorian mode and the lowered second in Phrygian are not part of the minor pentatonic scale. Makes for some interesting playing on the harmonica, and I was pleased to see it mentioned in the Wikipedia article.



BTW, this same quality makes it hard to determine what mode a tune is in that uses a "gapped" scale like pentatonic (like a lot of old ballads). In his introduction to "English Folksongs from the Southern Appalachians" Cecil Sharp describes a very different approach, which I've been trying to absorb for quite awhile. I finally understood it last month, but I've forgotten again! Worth looking at though.


Jun 18, 2017 - 11:05:54 AM

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more to em than meets the eye

Jun 18, 2017 - 11:14:08 AM

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quote:
Originally posted by pete_fiddle
 

more to em than meets the eye


True. But don't let the technical talk tangle it up. Once you can hum it or hear it you can just use it. Most players overuse it in my opinion. As I've complained before, many, including me sometimes, use this scale to avoid playing melodically. You can use pentatonics to jam with anything it seems. But beware (especially blues players) of everything starting to sound the same.

Jun 18, 2017 - 1:38:17 PM

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i think it depends what type of music you want to play with them as to how technical you want to get with them, for example:

http://people.uncw.edu/russellr/PentHarm.html

Jun 18, 2017 - 5:16:25 PM

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I guess a lot of modal stuff can be broken down into a pentatonic scale...

Jun 22, 2017 - 3:11:24 AM

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Originally posted by Chops Chomper
 

oops forgot to tell you the chords I played in.

GCDG

EABE

DGCD

CFGC

ADEA

GCDG

All these chords..and I only played one scale..pretty neat ain't it. Jerry


 

But, this is not the chord progression you are playing over.....!?

Jun 22, 2017 - 9:06:30 AM

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Henry, You must be talking about the F chord. I think I omitted that one because it's not within the scale. But you can play an F chord or Eb. The F chord give it an Old Timey sound and the Eb gives it a jazz sound. But I played all the notes in the G maj pentatonic scale

 

Brian, You can play the blues with this scale just depends on your note placement. I'll try and demonstrate this tonight. You wouldn't won't to play the scale outright would you. The placement of notes is very important in anything you play. Just by starting on a different note other than the 1 will give you a different outcome..think outside of the box

Now if you were to play this in three positions 1st, 2nd,3rd. If you were to play this scale in all 3 positions with a different note out of the scale it would sound like you were playing a lot of notes..but you're not..you are just playing the scale..old rock players used a lot of these scales.

Yeah Henry, I went back over the recording and I omitted the F. Jerry

Jun 22, 2017 - 1:48:15 PM

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quote:
Originally posted by Chops Chomper

 

Yeah Henry, I went back over the recording and I omitted the F. Jerry



You added minors too....I"ll work out what the progression is later, unless you can go back to BIAB and right them correctly here.

Jun 22, 2017 - 3:14:39 PM

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NAAH, I don't thing so about minors what you hear are chord changes. I played just the Gpent scale. No minors allowed

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