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May 15, 2017 - 1:31:56 PM
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I wasn't quite sure where to put this video, so I decided to start a topic about it and others like it..Let's see how far we can get with this.. I'm always amazed by how some of the factories work.. This video, to me, is especicially interesting.. Maybe you have seen some that you like.. Please post them here..


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SvfNhMlnBE&feature=youtu.be

May 15, 2017 - 2:31:33 PM

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Awesome video. Looks like they sure have it down. Never tried one of the Stentor violins. I was impressed by all those stacks of wood.

May 15, 2017 - 2:43:27 PM

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Hear is a more traditional video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTp46vARaJ8

May 15, 2017 - 2:51:32 PM
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Truly wonderful.  It's an assembly line inside a large factory for sure, but the skill and care the workers invest can't be denied.  Even though they're obviously on a time schedule.  It's far from what my vision was -- that of a conveyor belt dropping wood into a slot and, chug chug chug scrape crunch, a fiddle coming out the other side. 

May 15, 2017 - 4:03:03 PM

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quote:
Originally posted by joeh4232
 

Hear is a more traditional video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTp46vARaJ8


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTp46vARaJ8

Here is your video 'activated'... Stentor has it 'down'.. Obviously they show that making a violin is SIMPLE (JK).

May 15, 2017 - 4:13:48 PM

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quote:
Originally posted by Lonesome Fiddler
 

Truly wonderful.  It's an assembly line inside a large factory for sure, but the skill and care the workers invest can't be denied.  Even though they're obviously on a time schedule.  It's far from what my vision was -- that of a conveyor belt dropping wood into a slot and, chug chug chug scrape crunch, a fiddle coming out the other side. 


I will say that many of the factory violins I've seen in the past few years are head and shoulders higher in quality than what I saw, say, 20 years ago..A few years ago I bought a $35 violin, new with bow and case JUST TO SEE what I'd get..I was curious.  .Well, it was pretty nice, with inlaid purfling, two piece back and a beautiful finish.. and now has been in daily use for at least 5 years.. I sold it to a high school violin student.  She loves it..

May 15, 2017 - 4:16:49 PM
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In the video of the original post, at 2:22, you'll see what I think is OUTRAGEOUS.  It is the world's largest saw used for cutting "C" bouts...Funny

Again, at 3:39 you'll see the F holes cut faster than you can imagine..

Edited by - TuneWeaver on 05/15/2017 16:19:01

May 15, 2017 - 6:59:44 PM

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Yes, Lee, I noticed the f hole speed!

May 15, 2017 - 8:14:52 PM
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The saw guys were amazing.  This, on the other hand, is actually scary:  https://youtu.be/0SvfNhMlnBE?t=11m9s  

Edited by - amwildman on 05/15/2017 20:15:23

May 16, 2017 - 11:12:40 AM
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I noticed how the butt of the gouge was padded and fitted so that they could engage their shoulders directly for a LOT of power and their hands needed only to control the tool, thus saving the fatigue of holding on and controlling at the same time.  It was also a very safe direction for the tool if they paid attention to their distaff hand. 

I also noticed the strap vises.  I'm saddened to see that I didn't actually invent the things.  Or perhaps Chinese spies were watching my every move when I had my brainstorm one day.  Look for a doubled rope or cord or strap or ribbon near the edges of the benches.  The weight of one or both feet below the bench draws the cord taut through the bench and holds the work.  Adjust the length precisely and you stand or sit almost normally when in use.  It releases instantly.  You can make them as fancy as you want, but they're so simple that it's a nice design for one-time special purpose hold-downs.  I suppose there is a name for them in Western parlance somewhere.

May 16, 2017 - 12:02:08 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by Lonesome Fiddler
 

Truly wonderful.  It's an assembly line inside a large factory for sure, but the skill and care the workers invest can't be denied.  Even though they're obviously on a time schedule.  It's far from what my vision was -- that of a conveyor belt dropping wood into a slot and, chug chug chug scrape crunch, a fiddle coming out the other side. 


I was less than impressed by the video.  Don't get me wrong; these workers do seem to have skill at performing their tasks.  But I guess if you put any human being in a chair and make them do the same repetitive task day after day, year after year, they'll probably get pretty good at it.  But repetitive specialization doesn't seem to rise to the level of what I would consider "craftsmanship".  I also find it a bit distasteful at how hurried all those workers seemed to be.  If they work at that pace all day long, that would be a miserably exhausting job.  I don't know if they were just trying to show off their production speed for the cameras, or what.  But I noticed that very few of them were smiling or looking like they took pride in what they were doing.  A few did, but the majority just seemed like they were working desperately to get the pieces done.

One thing that did impress me, though, was the lack of machinery.  Considering how industrialized China has become, it was interesting to see all the hand-work still being employed. 

May 16, 2017 - 12:32:33 PM

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quote:
Originally posted by Tobus
 
quote:
Originally posted by Lonesome Fiddler
 

Truly wonderful.  It's an assembly line inside a large factory for sure, but the skill and care the workers invest can't be denied.  Even though they're obviously on a time schedule.  It's far from what my vision was -- that of a conveyor belt dropping wood into a slot and, chug chug chug scrape crunch, a fiddle coming out the other side. 


I was less than impressed by the video.  Don't get me wrong; these workers do seem to have skill at performing their tasks.  But I guess if you put any human being in a chair and make them do the same repetitive task day after day, year after year, they'll probably get pretty good at it.  But repetitive specialization doesn't seem to rise to the level of what I would consider "craftsmanship".  I also find it a bit distasteful at how hurried all those workers seemed to be.  If they work at that pace all day long, that would be a miserably exhausting job.  I don't know if they were just trying to show off their production speed for the cameras, or what.  But I noticed that very few of them were smiling or looking like they took pride in what they were doing.  A few did, but the majority just seemed like they were working desperately to get the pieces done.

One thing that did impress me, though, was the lack of machinery.  Considering how industrialized China has become, it was interesting to see all the hand-work still being employed. 


Good point about the machinery.. I'd have thought that in Some factory,  there would be computerized routers taking out wood..But then, they Can say that their instruments are hand made..I may be wrong but suspect that workers get to cross train from time to time..

May 16, 2017 - 12:54:12 PM

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quote:
Originally posted by joeh4232
 

Awesome video. Looks like they sure have it down. Never tried one of the Stentor violins. I was impressed by all those stacks of wood.


I've never HEARD of a Stentor...! All my fiddles have tags that  say Stradivarius in them..(wink)..

May 16, 2017 - 1:45:36 PM

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I recall that Fiddlepogo mentioned in 2009 that he once owned a Stentor( It is in the arcive). He was less than impressed. He liked his Knillings and I like mine ,also.

May 16, 2017 - 3:36:25 PM

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I THINK that I know exactly what Some people are thinking.. These instruments can't be better than hand made, one at a time, great fiddles....Yes... I am a banjo maker.  People tell me that my banjos are worth at least $1,500.. I sell them for round $700.. People can buy a FUNCTIONAL banjo, online for  $300... There is no accounting for Taste or POCKETBOOK..    (that ought to get some people riled)

May 16, 2017 - 4:11:20 PM
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I watched this one awhile back: http://youtu.be/2V-YjNPWRsQ  shows Gliga's being made. 

I'm not surprised at the lack of machinery in the Chinese factory.  Factory labor in China is simply cheaper then maintaining machines, etc. there.  Sad but true (though that factory seemed fairly decent compared to, say; the I-phone factory   http://youtu.be/H0aZWWZnXDA ).

May 16, 2017 - 4:42:18 PM

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I'm amazed at the market there must be that so many instruments can be made at that one factory plus everywhere else in the world that is cranking them out.

Before I lucked upon the fiddle I have now I was doing quite a bit of looking and learning, trying to decide where to shop for one. I thought "hand made", even in China, must be pretty good, but then was educated (on another forum I think) that hand made was just what was in the video; multiple people working on multiple instruments at a time. You could get a good worker(s) that happened to get good wood and get a good instrument, but the instrument next to it (same name and model) may not be so good. And I was told that in China, if it can be done by hand rather than a machine, then it must be done by hand. One way to help put people to work I guess and you're probably right Mojo, cheaper than machines.

And few of the workers did seem to be smiling or happy, but in the second video, the luthier wasn't smiling either. That video I wish had been longer. So much happened between steps that I feel like I watched a trailer. Hey, I wonder if we could talk Roy Underhill into doing a few shows on making a fiddle with a guest luthier. Then they could play The Kildares Fancy on the fiddle made on the show! Holy cow, I'm a genius.

May 16, 2017 - 4:51:53 PM

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quote:
Originally posted by tpquinn
 

I'm amazed at the market there must be that so many instruments can be made at that one factory plus everywhere else in the world that is cranking them out.

Before I lucked upon the fiddle I have now I was doing quite a bit of looking and learning, trying to decide where to shop for one. I thought "hand made", even in China, must be pretty good, but then was educated (on another forum I think) that hand made was just what was in the video; multiple people working on multiple instruments at a time. You could get a good worker(s) that happened to get good wood and get a good instrument, but the instrument next to it (same name and model) may not be so good. And I was told that in China, if it can be done by hand rather than a machine, then it must be done by hand. One way to help put people to work I guess and you're probably right Mojo, cheaper than machines.

And few of the workers did seem to be smiling or happy, but in the second video, the luthier wasn't smiling either. That video I wish had been longer. So much happened between steps that I feel like I watched a trailer. Hey, I wonder if we could talk Roy Underhill into doing a few shows on making a fiddle with a guest luthier. Then they could play The Kildares Fancy on the fiddle made on the show! Holy cow, I'm a genius.


Hey, Roy Underhill is one of my favorites and so is Kildare's Fancy, BUT, you might recall that Roy always seemed to be in a hurry on his shows.. I can't imagine even him getting a fiddle done in a 1/2 hour show...but if anybody COULD do it.. HE COULD....PS>. Did you know that in another life, Roy Underhill is a Motivational Speaker?  Check out his book, Kruschev's  Shoe.... 

Edited by - TuneWeaver on 05/16/2017 16:54:22

May 16, 2017 - 5:07:33 PM

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Multiple shows! He's done that (2 shows) before with more involved projects. Granted this may take more than 2, but it would be worth it. And didn't know he was a motivational speaker. I will certainly check that out. And I'm working on learning The Fancy.

May 17, 2017 - 9:03:52 AM

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quote:
Originally posted by Mojohand40
 

I watched this one awhile back: http://youtu.be/2V-YjNPWRsQ  shows Gliga's being made. 

I'm not surprised at the lack of machinery in the Chinese factory.  Factory labor in China is simply cheaper then maintaining machines, etc. there.  Sad but true (though that factory seemed fairly decent compared to, say; the I-phone factory   http://youtu.be/H0aZWWZnXDA ).


Re: The Gliga vid - annoying every vid showing a violin being made has a classical piece playing in the background.

Why not fiddle tunes???

May 17, 2017 - 9:07:25 AM
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Also, the Gliga guy ain't smiling either. Obviously their fiddles can't be any good.

May 17, 2017 - 3:02:58 PM

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quote:
Originally posted by RichJ
 

Also, the Gliga guy ain't smiling either. Obviously their fiddles can't be any good.


I'm saving my busking money to buy a 3D fiddle.. 

May 18, 2017 - 1:01:55 PM

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quote:
Originally posted by Tobus
 
quote:
Originally posted by Lonesome Fiddler
 

Truly wonderful.  It's an assembly line inside a large factory for sure, but the skill and care the workers invest can't be denied.  Even though they're obviously on a time schedule.  It's far from what my vision was -- that of a conveyor belt dropping wood into a slot and, chug chug chug scrape crunch, a fiddle coming out the other side. 


I was less than impressed by the video.  Don't get me wrong; these workers do seem to have skill at performing their tasks.  But I guess if you put any human being in a chair and make them do the same repetitive task day after day, year after year, they'll probably get pretty good at it.  But repetitive specialization doesn't seem to rise to the level of what I would consider "craftsmanship".  I also find it a bit distasteful at how hurried all those workers seemed to be.  If they work at that pace all day long, that would be a miserably exhausting job.  I don't know if they were just trying to show off their production speed for the cameras, or what.  But I noticed that very few of them were smiling or looking like they took pride in what they were doing.  A few did, but the majority just seemed like they were working desperately to get the pieces done.

One thing that did impress me, though, was the lack of machinery.  Considering how industrialized China has become, it was interesting to see all the hand-work still being employed. 


I agree it's a factory.  But I can't help but imagine the 19th Century German factory where my Markneukirchen fiddle was cranked out, or how shall I say it, hurried out, probably without anything more than a cursory eyeball inspection. 

May 18, 2017 - 1:23:07 PM

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You have to wonder that having someone do the same step every day every hour not only gets fast but pretty good. Compared to a Bench Made by single set of hands that does it once a month (or what ever).

Every step looked pretty good. I liked those HUGE clamps that clamped a couple dozen instruments at a time.

I too am amazed by the demand from ONE factory.

For reference here is a Finished Stentor on Amazon (with Case and Bow and all the middleman mark ups). I'll bet those factories probably get $10.00 or less per instrument. Crazy.

https://www.amazon.com/Stentor-1500-4-Violin/dp/B002021HIK

Edited by - mswlogo on 05/18/2017 13:23:47

May 18, 2017 - 3:01:50 PM

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quote:
Originally posted by mswlogo
 

You have to wonder that having someone do the same step every day every hour not only gets fast but pretty good. Compared to a Bench Made by single set of hands that does it once a month (or what ever).

Every step looked pretty good. I liked those HUGE clamps that clamped a couple dozen instruments at a time.

I too am amazed by the demand from ONE factory.

For reference here is a Finished Stentor on Amazon (with Case and Bow and all the middleman mark ups). I'll bet those factories probably get $10.00 or less per instrument. Crazy.

https://www.amazon.com/Stentor-1500-4-Violin/dp/B002021HIK


PLUS  free shipping!!!

May 18, 2017 - 5:25:38 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by Lee M

quote:

Originally posted by RichJ

 

Also, the Gliga guy ain't smiling either. Obviously their fiddles can't be any good.







I'm saving my busking money to buy a 3D fiddle.. 






I'm exactly the opposite. I'm saving my money for a one- dimensional fiddle so it will match my playing.

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