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tonyelder - Posted - 04/03/2024: 07:05:40
The Zen Buddhist concept of "becoming one with ____" (mushin) - to me - seems to get in the way of renouncing desires. How can you "become one" with anything that you are supposed to be depriving yourself from "having"? To me "becoming one" would require that I first have a very strong desire. And then this contradiction? Releasing yourself to the "thing" you want - but don't want - so that it can possess you, but you don't possess it? So you are attempting to become "one" with the fiddle and the music, letting it possess (controlling) you without you (controlling) possessing it.
That sounds something like: I would love to ask you about these ideas, but I won't. Then you will give me the answer, because I didn't ask. That would be the result of us being one. 
Lonesome Fiddler - Posted - 04/03/2024: 13:52:25
This thread is now long enough for me to wonder if I'm repeating myself, but for me, becoming "one" with something means being familiar enough with a task to be able to put your critical faculties to sleep and let your subconscious take over. Yeah, I know I've probably used the cliche before, but to me it is letting your fingers do the walking.
alaskafiddler - Posted - 04/03/2024: 15:00:39
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Originally posted by NCnotes
Hmm not to go in strange circles...but one of the main reasons I play music is BECAUSE I lose awareness...it makes my life more Zen...
It's like leaving the troubles/cares/checklists of the world behind and just stepping into another place for awhile...a place to dream, color, play with sound...when I come out, I am usually surprised how much time has passed. (Or, I find the blackened smoking toast in the toaster oven). Toast = 1 short jig, but not a 3-part jig...
I can relate to that. Have lot's of destroyed tea kettles.
I see it as changing awareness and focus. Sometimes the goal is to be absorbed and engaged into the experience of moment. Involves focus; heightened awareness to what is relevant to the moment, task at hand; and letting go of non-relevant other are unimportant to the experience, and just get in the way, as distraction to focus and being engaged. So have to let go of troubles/cares/checklists of the world and what other thoughts going thru mind, reflections of past and future. Losing awareness to time and unimportant... like tea kettle, TV set, the room, objects in the room; the cat (it's probably mutual); thus left with only the experience.
Some of mentioned is to escape, get away, from troubles/cares, which can be valuable in itself, for relaxation or gain perspective; but for me it's not just about escape... often it's goal is make a deeper, meaningful more rewarding experience in itself; and/or dream, explore, open mind to possibilities. But IMO these are not mutually exclusive.
Of course sometimes it's only playing a tune... and yeah, oops I simply forgot I put tea kettle on.
alaskafiddler - Posted - 04/03/2024: 17:10:49
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Originally posted by TuneWeaver
Let me relate this to fiddling.. If there is a jam and ONE person only listens to themselves, then they don't hear what the other musicians are doing.. they are Attached to their own sound..and that can cause havoc with the group sokund.. I have a fiddling friend who I admire because she listens to everyone in the jam all at once.. She hears every guitar chord ( and is bold enough to mention if it is the Wrong chord ).. and she listens carefully to all the other musicians all at once.. I really admire that ability..
This I can relate to. Though, I never thought as any special ability... this seems like just describing what many consider fundamental listening skills, normal way good musicians approach playing music? It's a given, with background/approach; what they already have as goal, important to what it means to play music with others.
Not just hearing, but listening; awareness to your part in context of the whole; the other musicians; the music, chords, the beat, rhythm, articulation, phrasing (and more)... how holistically fits together as it's all one, "gestalt". Part of being focused, fully engaged in all that's important in moment, like in conversation. Can extend that to awareness include dancers and audience, are relative part of whole. I certainly enjoy playing much more, when we are all in that state.
I agree includes give up or letting go of some attachment to some aspects; a bit of self (ego, self-absorbed); as well as perhaps self preconceived romanticized, idealistic notions, expectations about moment/experience; and others.
is bold enough to mention if it is the Wrong chord
Hmmm... Interesting comment, as not sure it necessarily represents or reflects what you think, for few reasons; might be missing (lack awareness) of some aspects.
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That idea can play into all parts of our lives.. Like the TV comment I made to George....
Still have no idea or can relate to the TV comment; how would help in what working toward, or what that is; perhaps might think opposite. Probably I don't understand watching TV, or at least different than the way you do? I am probably fine in unenlightened ignorant bliss.
ChickenMan - Posted - 04/03/2024: 17:26:55
Being in the moment, slowing time, losing oneself, all very NOW things that can happen while playing music. I don't think that's quite what Lee's talking about, but to be honest, even Lee knows that what he's talking about can't be fully explained with words.
Those "time slows" moments are pretty much why I play with others. It can happen alone, and does, but when others are involved it can be close to nirvana, or whatever you want to call it.
TuneWeaver - Posted - 04/03/2024: 18:58:04
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Originally posted by alaskafiddler
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Originally posted by TuneWeaver
Let me relate this to fiddling.. If there is a jam and ONE person only listens to themselves, then they don't hear what the other musicians are doing.. they are Attached to their own sound..and that can cause havoc with the group sokund.. I have a fiddling friend who I admire because she listens to everyone in the jam all at once.. She hears every guitar chord ( and is bold enough to mention if it is the Wrong chord ).. and she listens carefully to all the other musicians all at once.. I really admire that ability..
This I can relate to. Though, I never thought as any special ability... this seems like just describing what many consider fundamental listening skills, normal way good musicians approach playing music? It's a given, with background/approach; what they already have as goal, important to what it means to play music with others.
Not just hearing, but listening; awareness to your part in context of the whole; the other musicians; the music, chords, the beat, rhythm, articulation, phrasing (and more)... how holistically fits together as it's all one, "gestalt". Part of being focused, fully engaged in all that's important in moment, like in conversation. Can extend that to awareness include dancers and audience, are relative part of whole. I certainly enjoy playing much more, when we are all in that state.
I agree includes give up or letting go of some attachment to some aspects; a bit of self (ego, self-absorbed); as well as perhaps self preconceived romanticized, idealistic notions, expectations about moment/experience; and others.
is bold enough to mention if it is the Wrong chord
Hmmm... Interesting comment, as not sure it necessarily represents or reflects what you think, for few reasons; might be missing (lack awareness) of some aspects.
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That idea can play into all parts of our lives.. Like the TV comment I made to George....
Still have no idea or can relate to the TV comment; how would help in what working toward, or what that is; perhaps might think opposite. Probably I don't understand watching TV, or at least different than the way you do? I am probably fine in unenlightened ignorant bliss.
..Bliss is good..
TuneWeaver - Posted - 04/03/2024: 19:03:18
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Originally posted by ChickenMan
Being in the moment, slowing time, losing oneself, all very NOW things that can happen while playing music. I don't think that's quite what Lee's talking about, but to be honest, even Lee knows that what he's talking about can't be fully explained with words.
Those "time slows" moments are pretty much why I play with others. It can happen alone, and does, but when others are involved it can be close to nirvana, or whatever you want to call it.
If you make it to the eclipse event this weekend maybe we can chat and I'll try to articulate. I'll double check with my neighbor about parking....The idea of being present in one's own life, in the moment, is easy to intellectualize about. What I'm referring to is not intellectual.. it is being aware..Thinking is not required...but those two words, being and aware.. seem to have a different meaning to each person..
Edited by - TuneWeaver on 04/03/2024 19:04:07
buckhenry - Posted - 04/03/2024: 19:23:12
spiritual practice of giving something up so you can have it,
This 'something' does not refer to a physical activity, but to a 'mindset' where the egocentric self-talk can be both a negative or positive self analysis, and is never in the moment but after the fact, ( Oh I just played so crappy, or, I played that brilliantly ) rather than relishing in the over all sound that is happening or just occurred?
That takes some time to eliminate that thinking, even after one has become aware of it's detriment.
I dunno, just putting my hypothesis forward.....
Edited by - buckhenry on 04/03/2024 19:35:19
ChickenMan - Posted - 04/03/2024: 20:45:58
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Originally posted by buckhenry
spiritual practice of giving something up so you can have it,
This 'something' does not refer to a physical activity, but to a 'mindset' where the egocentric self-talk can be both a negative or positive self analysis, and is never in the moment but after the fact, ( Oh I just played so crappy, or, I played that brilliantly ) rather than relishing in the over all sound that is happening or just occurred?
That takes some time to eliminate that thinking, even after one has become aware of it's detriment.
I dunno, just putting my hypothesis forward.....
You are correct in all of that except one can say "I'm really in the pocket" while in the moment, even though that moment is constantly moving/changing. It is rare that saying/thinking that doesn't break the spell, so to speak.
Remind me of my favorite saying relating to this - You cannot step into the same river twice.
Before one argues the semantics of "same,", basic meaning: a river is constantly moving, the water cannot be the same for even the time it takes to put your foot into it, much like how time is constantly moving forward...
Lee, I am looking forward to seeing you, I'll be there Friday evening. Hopefully the parking is still available, but I can adapt.
TuneWeaver - Posted - 04/05/2024: 12:21:24
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Originally posted by buckhenry
spiritual practice of giving something up so you can have it,
This 'something' does not refer to a physical activity, but to a 'mindset' where the egocentric self-talk can be both a negative or positive self analysis, and is never in the moment but after the fact, ( Oh I just played so crappy, or, I played that brilliantly ) rather than relishing in the over all sound that is happening or just occurred?
That takes some time to eliminate that thinking, even after one has become aware of it's detriment.
I dunno, just putting my hypothesis forward.....
I think that to be aware, even after the fact, that negative thinking has occurred, is already a step toward the elimination.. Lately I'm aware of negative comments/thought AS THEY OCCUR.. This is a new one for me.. Ya gotta start somewhere... Our local jam sessions have often been good places to make negative comments about various musician's playing.. Nowadays when I even Think those thoughts I just dispel them.. I've come to realize that there is a oneness to my jam mates and to think negative things about them is to just bring out my own smallness... I can do better.
Edited by - TuneWeaver on 04/05/2024 12:28:01
groundhogpeggy - Posted - 04/05/2024: 12:39:56
I try to give my jammates the benefit of the doubt...especially since they are all the groundhog, one and the same...so...like it would be so sci-fi for me to get attacked by angry multiples of myself...
TuneWeaver - Posted - 04/06/2024: 16:39:27
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Originally posted by groundhogpeggy
I try to give my jammates the benefit of the doubt...especially since they are all the groundhog, one and the same...so...like it would be so sci-fi for me to get attacked by angry multiples of myself...
Billy (chickenman) is visiting me for the eclipse event and we went to my daughter's coffee shop this morning..We chatted about this topic and I tried my best to explain my 'take' on it.. He seemed to understand where I'm coming from and he even had great input about the topic.. Hopefully he'll agree that I'm not nuts.. Lets see what he has to say after he gets back home next Tuesday or Wednesday..
groundhogpeggy - Posted - 04/06/2024: 18:33:40
Hope y'all have a great time drinkin' coffee and jammin', talkin' and watchin' the sun go away...lol. Have fun.
Erockin - Posted - 04/11/2024: 07:36:22
It's been a little while...
I've since learned Kitchen Girl the best that I can at this point. I've been having the fiddle set up blues. I jammed with a really good fiddler lately and noticed his bridge was WAY taller than mine. I've known mine was low but hearing him play mine, it sounds like a toy. But next to my ear it's good enough for now. I have so many things going on in life that the new set up for my newest fiddle keeps getting pushed back.
It was very humbling playing with a pro the other day although he wasn't that great in helping me, but to sit and watch and listen was helpful enough. He's strictly BG where I'm leaning more toward OT. I'd ask "What did you do there?" and he was like "I don't know...lol" Will I ever give up? I hope not....but little breaks here and there are healthy. Even breaks from here. Trying to get caught up now.
My new song I'm attempting is Midnight On the Water...yet again, there are so many versions out there to pick from. Such a beautiful tune and like many songs I try, it's going to take me a while to just getting the song in my head but worth it in the end! Dare I ask what version ya'll are privy too but I imagine I've watched them all in the past 12 hrs...lol. But if anyone has a good version they'd like to me hear, I'm all ears!!!
I used to play drums in a country band and these guys were the real deal...and for me, a Waltz was not my strong suit. They used to say to me "Hippies Can't Waltz" and that seems true to me to this day. I'm a 1234 kinda guy I guess? But, I'm having fun!
Hope you're all doing well.
groundhogpeggy - Posted - 04/11/2024: 08:15:34
Midnight on the Water is just a beautiful tune...no idea what version I've played...just whatever is ringing around inside my head and reaching for it as best as I can.
I really wish I could play these days...it's just not working for me and probably won't unless some stuff somehow changes. No calluses on my fingertips now. That's scary to me...lol.
But I'd say the moment is what we have, the tune runnin' around in our heads is what we have, and when it all comes together, I'd say play it like you want to. I mean, unless the whole musicology study is what you like...my thinking is that we are free to play what is with us in our moment in time...that's what makes it folk music...but some people don't think of OT as folk music...so, there ya go...everybody on their own...lol. Play the music, and then be ready to face the music...lol...whether good or bad.
Brian Wood - Posted - 04/11/2024: 08:30:50
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Originally posted by groundhogpeggy
Midnight on the Water is just a beautiful tune...no idea what version I've played...just whatever is ringing around inside my head and reaching for it as best as I can.
Midnight On The Water came from Benny Thommason. He says in this video that he got it from his dad. So this is pretty definitive version if that's what you're looking for.
doryman - Posted - 04/11/2024: 10:05:21
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Originally posted by TuneWeaver
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Originally posted by groundhogpeggy
I try to give my jammates the benefit of the doubt...especially since they are all the groundhog, one and the same...so...like it would be so sci-fi for me to get attacked by angry multiples of myself...
Billy (chickenman) is visiting me for the eclipse event and we went to my daughter's coffee shop this morning..We chatted about this topic and I tried my best to explain my 'take' on it.. He seemed to understand where I'm coming from and he even had great input about the topic.. Hopefully he'll agree that I'm not nuts.. Lets see what he has to say after he gets back home next Tuesday or Wednesday..
What we all want to know...Did you get Billy out there busking with you?
DougD - Posted - 04/11/2024: 11:13:08
Eric - Don't know if you realize that "Midnight on the Water" is commonly played in "Bonaparte's Retreat" tuning with the first string tuned down to D, and the fourth string all the way down to D (Benny is a little out of tune in that video). Not everyone likes the sound or the feel of that low string, and it can be played in standard, but the two tunes are sometimes played as a medley because of the tuning.
TuneWeaver - Posted - 04/11/2024: 11:19:25
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Originally posted by doryman
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Originally posted by TuneWeaver
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Originally posted by groundhogpeggy
I try to give my jammates the benefit of the doubt...especially since they are all the groundhog, one and the same...so...like it would be so sci-fi for me to get attacked by angry multiples of myself...
Billy (chickenman) is visiting me for the eclipse event and we went to my daughter's coffee shop this morning..We chatted about this topic and I tried my best to explain my 'take' on it.. He seemed to understand where I'm coming from and he even had great input about the topic.. Hopefully he'll agree that I'm not nuts.. Lets see what he has to say after he gets back home next Tuesday or Wednesday..
What we all want to know...Did you get Billy out there busking with you?
Yes, we did go busking with Harry Hare.. We made $31 and went for a beer.. Harry abstained, naturally. . Thanks for asking.
DougD - Posted - 04/11/2024: 11:20:54
Did you insist that Billy wear his chicken suit?
TuneWeaver - Posted - 04/11/2024: 11:26:05
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Originally posted by DougD
Did you insist that Billy wear his chicken suit?
What he wears to bed at night is none of my business..
Erockin - Posted - 04/12/2024: 07:28:24
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Originally posted by DougD
Eric - Don't know if you realize that "Midnight on the Water" is commonly played in "Bonaparte's Retreat" tuning with the first string tuned down to D, and the fourth string all the way down to D (Benny is a little out of tune in that video). Not everyone likes the sound or the feel of that low string, and it can be played in standard, but the two tunes are sometimes played as a medley because of the tuning.
Hey Doug! I haven't ventured into cross tuning just yet although I watched some lessons on this tune that shows that style of tuning. I was warned that the G string is extra floppy. I recorded my fiddle teacher's version but it got deleted some how off of my phone. I need to get the melody reserved in my head space but wow, it's def a pretty one!
tonyelder - Posted - 04/12/2024: 08:19:37
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Originally posted by Erockin
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Originally posted by DougD
Eric - Don't know if you realize that "Midnight on the Water" is commonly played in "Bonaparte's Retreat" tuning with the first string tuned down to D, and the fourth string all the way down to D (Benny is a little out of tune in that video). Not everyone likes the sound or the feel of that low string, and it can be played in standard, but the two tunes are sometimes played as a medley because of the tuning.
Hey Doug! I haven't ventured into cross tuning just yet although I watched some lessons on this tune that shows that style of tuning. I was warned that the G string is extra floppy. I recorded my fiddle teacher's version but it got deleted some how off of my phone. I need to get the melody reserved in my head space but wow, it's def a pretty one!
and I love to play Camp Meeting on the Fourth of July in that tuning too
TuneWeaver - Posted - 04/12/2024: 15:43:21
I promise I had no idea that the OP would be bring such diverse comments..
So.. To sum up the intent of the OP.... Be aware of being aware, not intellectually, but in fact..
Brian Wood - Posted - 04/12/2024: 16:24:42
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Originally posted by TuneWeaver
I promise I had no idea that the OP would be bring such diverse comments..
So.. To sum up the intent of the OP.... Be aware of being aware, not intellectually, but in fact..
The variety may indicate how unaware many of us were of your intent. In fact.
ChickenMan - Posted - 04/12/2024: 16:30:17
I missed all of this but the image of Peggy having a conflict with multiple Peggy's cracked me up (thanks, Peggy) as did the chicken suit comments.
Mindfulness is a term that gets tossed around a lot, but what Lee is getting at has elements of mindfulness . It is like being outside oneself as an observer while at the same time being fully engaged in life. It is like an active meditation for lack of a better term. It is still a concept that is best practiced because talking about it, particularly writing in this way about it, can never fully explain it, and it is not something that comes without practice.
Edited by - ChickenMan on 04/12/2024 16:33:46
Mark Douglas - Posted - 04/18/2024: 06:43:42
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Originally posted by TuneWeaver
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Originally posted by Brian Wood
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Originally posted by TuneWeaver
Over time I've given up my attachment to my fiddle, banjo, the term 'fiddler' and 'busker'.. I still do those things but no longer feel attached to them.. It is a great feeling. I'm unattached to many other things unrelated to fiddling so I don't mention them here.. While fiddling is a part of my life, it is still, in the end, just more stuff to let go of.. Have I gone insane?? or entered sanity?? I'd love to hear your comments..
It's a very zen approach, the attitude toward attachment and not-attachment. But those are just words. Do you mean you'd feel nothing to let those things go forever in the next moment? I'm thinking rather those things are still a part of you and you'd like to keep them going. If so, maybe the operative idea is more like your ego has let go of a need to prove anything about your playing.
But, like you said, you might be nuts.
Hmmm nuts is a good word.. I have nothing to prove about my fiddling.. If I couldn't fiddle starting tomorrow, I'd be fine, really.
I'm not sure what you mean by fine?
Music is such a central part of my core...
Such a profoundly important part of my being... that... it is
difficult for me to imagine NOT playing music!
I guess I would be OK if I could still play guitar, or banjo or mandolin.
TuneWeaver - Posted - 04/18/2024: 10:06:27
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Originally posted by Mark Douglas
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Originally posted by TuneWeaver
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Originally posted by Brian Wood
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Originally posted by TuneWeaver
Over time I've given up my attachment to my fiddle, banjo, the term 'fiddler' and 'busker'.. I still do those things but no longer feel attached to them.. It is a great feeling. I'm unattached to many other things unrelated to fiddling so I don't mention them here.. While fiddling is a part of my life, it is still, in the end, just more stuff to let go of.. Have I gone insane?? or entered sanity?? I'd love to hear your comments..
It's a very zen approach, the attitude toward attachment and not-attachment. But those are just words. Do you mean you'd feel nothing to let those things go forever in the next moment? I'm thinking rather those things are still a part of you and you'd like to keep them going. If so, maybe the operative idea is more like your ego has let go of a need to prove anything about your playing.
But, like you said, you might be nuts.
Hmmm nuts is a good word.. I have nothing to prove about my fiddling.. If I couldn't fiddle starting tomorrow, I'd be fine, really.
I'm not sure what you mean by fine?
Music is such a central part of my core...
Such a profoundly important part of my being... that... it is
difficult for me to imagine NOT playing music!
I guess I would be OK if I could still play guitar, or banjo or mandolin.
I have other interests.. If I couldn't fiddle, I'd just move on..This is not to say that I'm looking forward to not fiddling ..
Brian Wood - Posted - 04/18/2024: 11:02:33
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Originally posted by TuneWeaver
I have other interests.. If I couldn't fiddle, I'd just move on...
I might agree if it meant I was still expressing music with other instruments or something. I have other strong interests too, including woodworking. But I wouldn't I lose the whole the category of music and and find it completely covered by the category of woodworking.
pete_fiddle - Posted - 04/18/2024: 11:09:54
"I have other interests.. If I couldn't fiddle, I'd just move on..This is not to say that I'm looking forward to not fiddling .."
Sounds like you are wisely making mental preparations, But like i said before, please "Do not go gentle...".
As my old playing buddy once said, " Here's tae us, there's no many like us.....And they're aaw deed".
Lonesome Fiddler - Posted - 04/18/2024: 11:26:16
I'm gonna keep playing music until my ears tell my fingers "you just don't got it no more."
pete_fiddle - Posted - 04/18/2024: 11:29:32
My ears told me that years ago !
pete_fiddle - Posted - 04/18/2024: 11:46:35
i told them "Through the canal, and onto the drum, lookout cochlea here it comes"....
TuneWeaver - Posted - 04/18/2024: 12:41:04
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Originally posted by pete_fiddle
"I have other interests.. If I couldn't fiddle, I'd just move on..This is not to say that I'm looking forward to not fiddling .."
Sounds like you are wisely making mental preparations, But like i said before, please "Do not go gentle...".
As my old playing buddy once said, " Here's tae us, there's no many like us.....And they're aaw deed".
As I mentioned earlier, I've already let go of my attachment (mentally, emotionally) to fiddling and to many other things..
Brian Wood - Posted - 04/18/2024: 13:33:01
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Originally posted by TuneWeaver
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Originally posted by pete_fiddle
"I have other interests.. If I couldn't fiddle, I'd just move on..This is not to say that I'm looking forward to not fiddling .."
Sounds like you are wisely making mental preparations, But like i said before, please "Do not go gentle...".
As my old playing buddy once said, " Here's tae us, there's no many like us.....And they're aaw deed".
As I mentioned earlier, I've already let go of my attachment (mentally, emotionally) to fiddling and to many other things..
Just to be clear, you were passionate about these things when you were younger, and that was good. You're just in a different place now?
pete_fiddle - Posted - 04/18/2024: 14:13:30
So, you've let go to any emotional or mental attachment to fiddling? .....("Many other things", are a subject apart from fiddling IMO)
How are you going to play fiddle at all..... With no mental, or emotional attachment? just moving your fingers and pushing or pulling the bow up and down?
Mind you...i think that would be a good goal. Just to be able to play stuff that sounds good, without investing any emotional or mental attachment....
...If only...That's what it must be like "Playing in the Zone?" Maybe?
TuneWeaver - Posted - 04/18/2024: 14:26:29
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Originally posted by pete_fiddle
So, you've let go to any emotional or mental attachment to fiddling? .....("Many other things", are a subject apart from fiddling IMO)
How are you going to play fiddle at all..... With no mental, or emotional attachment? just moving your fingers and pushing or pulling the bow up and down?
Mind you...i think that would be a good goal. Just to be able to play stuff that sounds good, without investing any emotional or mental attachment.......If only...That's what it must be like "Playing in the Zone?" Maybe?
Pete, for me, taking a more conscious, moment to moment, approach to life allows me to still do things, but my awareness is shifted IN... That allows me to enjoy things without attachment to them.. Words fail me in describing it..Think of a meditation in which All things are equally important , yet not as important as being aware.. There.. I TRIED to say it.. I would have elaborated in a personal message but you are not accepting pm's at this time..
TuneWeaver - Posted - 04/18/2024: 14:29:00
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Originally posted by Brian Wood
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Originally posted by TuneWeaver
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Originally posted by pete_fiddle
"I have other interests.. If I couldn't fiddle, I'd just move on..This is not to say that I'm looking forward to not fiddling .."
Sounds like you are wisely making mental preparations, But like i said before, please "Do not go gentle...".
As my old playing buddy once said, " Here's tae us, there's no many like us.....And they're aaw deed".
As I mentioned earlier, I've already let go of my attachment (mentally, emotionally) to fiddling and to many other things..
Just to be clear, you were passionate about these things when you were younger, and that was good. You're just in a different place now?
Over the years/decades I've changed my life perspective..Either I'm getting old, wise, introspecive or stupid.. Which, depends on the reader..
pete_fiddle - Posted - 04/18/2024: 14:37:44
So we ain't talking about fiddle at all. We are talking about life and all things in general?
if so my interest in this topic is at an end....It is a Fiddle site after all.
TuneWeaver - Posted - 04/18/2024: 14:39:16
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Originally posted by pete_fiddle
So we ain't talking about fiddle at all. We are talking about life and all things in general?
if so my interest in this topic is at an end....It is a Fiddle site after all.
Yes, it seems to have reached the end..
groundhogpeggy - Posted - 04/18/2024: 16:00:06
You have reached the end of the internet...lol.
TuneWeaver - Posted - 04/18/2024: 16:20:14
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Originally posted by groundhogpeggy
You have reached the end of the internet...lol.
buckhenry - Posted - 04/20/2024: 19:15:12
So, if attachment is so easily abandoned, what happens to commitment, dedication and diligence...?
Mobob - Posted - 04/20/2024: 19:20:01
ah, so
groundhogpeggy - Posted - 04/20/2024: 19:55:40
It's always annoyed me that I relate so much to music...because most of my life there's been little time or place for it, seems like. It's been a struggle getting and keeping instruments in good shape, and just finding time when I'm not ignoring something important I should be tending to or just bothering everybody else...lol...as anybody here might have noticed a time or two before, I've always dreamed of a day when I could have nothing more than a harmonica to keep me happy...except since I can't ever play the doggone things, I'm stuck with string instruments. I always think about how much simpler my life could have been if I didn't have to find the time to play music...especially these days...it's just so hard to be able to fit it into my world right now. But seems as much as I've tried to get away from it...it's got a hold on me...I've gotta play music...not listen...I don't get no kicks from listening and I don't have anything to play CDS or whatever on...I've just gotta PLAY music...or I go nuts. That's pretty bad attachment...but it's the way it's been for me. I haven't really wanted to do it...everything would have been and would be now easier if I didn't play music.
Edited by - groundhogpeggy on 04/20/2024 19:56:29
TuneWeaver - Posted - 04/21/2024: 05:29:24
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Originally posted by buckhenry
So, if attachment is so easily abandoned, what happens to commitment, dedication and diligence...?
short answer.. If anything, dedication is increased overall... no need to hurry up with one thing to get to another.. More appreciation for the moment with ALL things.
TuneWeaver - Posted - 04/21/2024: 09:43:57
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Originally posted by buckhenry
So, if attachment is so easily abandoned, what happens to commitment, dedication and diligence...?
I'll add, that for me, being unattached was never my goal. My goal was to live a more conscious, here-now, life and in doing so the un attachment was the result.. ((PS.. I'll possibly have limited access to my computer (unattached ?) for almost three weeks so if is looks like I'm avoiding the Hangout.. it is an illusion))... Cheers...
groundhogpeggy - Posted - 04/22/2024: 07:48:56
Lee, have you read that guy's website that makes what he calls systems for what he calls extreme moderation? Reinhard Engels, I believe is his name, if I'm remembering right. I think he's just about a modern day version of Benjamin Franklin in ways. I interviewed him once when we did an amateur radio show locally for a couple of years. Have a look if you think it sounds interesting. He's probably best-loved for his weight loss "invention," the "no S Diet," a diet consisting of nothing more than a system of moderation. He has several followers who have used his method. Anyway, thought of that when you talked about being attached to the computer...which, yep, he has a system for that too...lol.
everydaysystems.com/ and his diet plan that made him "famous," lol...sorta. nosdiet.com/
groundhogpeggy - Posted - 04/22/2024: 07:50:28
Well that was sorta off topic, what I just put up...but...for me it was related in the sense that one might manage their obsessions and habits with easy systems and that I remembered about that when Lee talked about moderating his computer usage, etc. So...that's my explanation as to how I came to relate those ideas with the ideas as this thread progresses along.
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