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TuneWeaver - Posted - 03/13/2024: 15:42:44
Over time I've given up my attachment to my fiddle, banjo, the term 'fiddler' and 'busker'.. I still do those things but no longer feel attached to them.. It is a great feeling. I'm unattached to many other things unrelated to fiddling so I don't mention them here.. While fiddling is a part of my life, it is still, in the end, just more stuff to let go of.. Have I gone insane?? or entered sanity?? I'd love to hear your comments..
Old Scratch - Posted - 03/13/2024: 15:51:29
To be honest, I think it is likely a sign of psychological good health to be able to pick up the fiddle (or paintbrush or golf club or book) or put it down, as opposed being obsessed with playing for it's own sake.
TuneWeaver - Posted - 03/13/2024: 15:58:40
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Originally posted by Old Scratch
To be honest, I think it is likely a sign of psychological good health to be able to pick up the fiddle (or paintbrush or golf club or book) or put it down, as opposed being obsessed with playing for it's own sake.
Thanks.. For me it is a sign of sanity.. and I'm pleased with your comment..
Brian Wood - Posted - 03/13/2024: 16:20:22
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Originally posted by TuneWeaver
Over time I've given up my attachment to my fiddle, banjo, the term 'fiddler' and 'busker'.. I still do those things but no longer feel attached to them.. It is a great feeling. I'm unattached to many other things unrelated to fiddling so I don't mention them here.. While fiddling is a part of my life, it is still, in the end, just more stuff to let go of.. Have I gone insane?? or entered sanity?? I'd love to hear your comments..
It's a very zen approach, the attitude toward attachment and not-attachment. But those are just words. Do you mean you'd feel nothing to let those things go forever in the next moment? I'm thinking rather those things are still a part of you and you'd like to keep them going. If so, maybe the operative idea is more like your ego has let go of a need to prove anything about your playing.
But, like you said, you might be nuts.
TuneWeaver - Posted - 03/13/2024: 16:53:02
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Originally posted by Brian Wood
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Originally posted by TuneWeaver
Over time I've given up my attachment to my fiddle, banjo, the term 'fiddler' and 'busker'.. I still do those things but no longer feel attached to them.. It is a great feeling. I'm unattached to many other things unrelated to fiddling so I don't mention them here.. While fiddling is a part of my life, it is still, in the end, just more stuff to let go of.. Have I gone insane?? or entered sanity?? I'd love to hear your comments..
It's a very zen approach, the attitude toward attachment and not-attachment. But those are just words. Do you mean you'd feel nothing to let those things go forever in the next moment? I'm thinking rather those things are still a part of you and you'd like to keep them going. If so, maybe the operative idea is more like your ego has let go of a need to prove anything about your playing.
But, like you said, you might be nuts.
Hmmm nuts is a good word.. I have nothing to prove about my fiddling.. If I couldn't fiddle starting tomorrow, I'd be fine, really. That doesn't mean I don't enjoy it. This topic is one I was eluding to a couple of weeks ago when I asked people what part of their identity fiddling is... I also like you mentioning Zen.. That word hadn't occurred to me.. but to me it is more of a consciousness awakening that has helped me change my perspective about things.. This has been Decades coming but is just getting stronger lately.. Does any of this make sense?
farmerjones - Posted - 03/13/2024: 18:55:59
OK, where'd my post go? This assuredly doesn't make sense.
doryman - Posted - 03/13/2024: 20:02:07
That's a bit too deep for me, Lee. When I started a family, I gave up a lot of things that, it turned out, I didn't miss at all when I gave them up, and that surprised me. I guess I was doing those things mostly because they were kind of fun and I had time to do them. But other things, like playing music, I kept doing. I guess I was doing those things because they were, and still are, a part of me. I can imagine that yet-to-experience life events could cause me to redefine those categories.
tonyelder - Posted - 03/13/2024: 20:04:12
ohuuuu... metaphysics.... I failed. But it's fun to play.
Which is more correct? I am a fiddler - or - I play the fiddle - or - I can play some tunes on a fiddle - or - I learning to play the fiddle. 
That is the question.
Every statement is "true", and yet - none of them are "really" true. 
Think I'll go and plant me some 'maters. 
farmerjones - Posted - 03/13/2024: 21:04:15
I sit up tall, and speak plainly when I say,"I'm the fiddle player, until the real fiddle player gets here."
UsuallyPickin - Posted - 03/14/2024: 05:37:00
Hmmm... music and cats. These two that have been and will remain in my life. They both please and confound me. Watching them, sharing them, seeing them into the next iteration. I put them down and they call me or come sit in my lap ... or under my jaw. I am firmly attached. I expect to remain so as long as I am able. To write that I glory in that attachment may be a bit much. But I am well satisfied to be in their orbit. R/
RobBob - Posted - 03/14/2024: 05:45:01
I play fiddle. Once I was "et up with it" as some are bound to say. I still teach and mentor fiddlers, I occasionally play out, but mostly at jams. There are too many instruments, too many other things that also take my time. I hang out here because I like fiddlers and have many friends who are fiddlers. Enjoy life. It is shorter than you think.
NCnotes - Posted - 03/14/2024: 07:53:44
I am very Attached, and I dread the day when physical stuff will make me unable to play the way I want...
but yea, maybe your more Zen attitude about it is healthier.
I'm not very Zen about some things...fiercely obsessively attached to my art, music, people...
but there are things I am extremely Zen about (i.e. yard, fashion trends, kitchen floor shininess, money) LOL!
Edited by - NCnotes on 03/14/2024 07:55:37
NCnotes - Posted - 03/14/2024: 08:00:57
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Originally posted by UsuallyPickin
Hmmm... music and cats. These two that have been and will remain in my life. They both please and confound me. Watching them, sharing them, seeing them into the next iteration. I put them down and they call me or come sit in my lap ... or under my jaw. I am firmly attached. I expect to remain so as long as I am able. To write that I glory in that attachment may be a bit much. But I am well satisfied to be in their orbit. R/
Here's a sketch I did, that you might like! :-) It's called "Rest"...
pmiller510 - Posted - 03/14/2024: 08:19:58
Not being attached to playing fiddle. Sounds similar to the way one tends to let go of material objects. What's important in life isn't a particular object or activity but it's relationships; family, friends, neighbors, faith (if one is so inclined, which I am) etc. Not going to quit playing music, or give away all the material stuff sitting in the room, but I do realize the relative value of that compared to the other.
Fiddler - Posted - 03/14/2024: 09:12:09
I recently did an exercise in which I was asked to reflect on what I give time and energy to. It could be a person, an activity, and emotion, etc. I was the repeatedly asked the question: "Whose are you?" The superficial items were not surprising: spouse, family, music, church, etc. It was the deeper, intangible things that had an effect on me: emotions, relationships, etc. It was a very good exercise to help me in discernment. Those intangible things were important to me and needed more of my attention.
So, in divesting yourself of things that once "identified" you, you are opening yourself to new possibilities for a new "you" and where you want to focus your energy. That was the lesson I learned through the exercise.
Good luck on your journey, Lee.
TuneWeaver - Posted - 03/14/2024: 09:52:12
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Originally posted by Fiddler
I recently did an exercise in which I was asked to reflect on what I give time and energy to. It could be a person, an activity, and emotion, etc. I was the repeatedly asked the question: "Whose are you?" The superficial items were not surprising: spouse, family, music, church, etc. It was the deeper, intangible things that had an effect on me: emotions, relationships, etc. It was a very good exercise to help me in discernment. Those intangible things were important to me and needed more of my attention.
So, in divesting yourself of things that once "identified" you, you are opening yourself to new possibilities for a new "you" and where you want to focus your energy. That was the lesson I learned through the exercise.
Good luck on your journey, Lee.
Thanks Kirk..( you've probably seen some of my FB posts on related topics) One thing I've learned over the decades is that I'm NOT what I do.. I'm the "I" that is watching the doing... Next, someone will have to start a 'meaning of life' topic.. It won't be me, promise....
Earworm - Posted - 03/14/2024: 10:04:06
Getting the balance right is the tricky part, I think. I have heard how so few people have actual hobbies anymore because so many people want to try to monetize (or otherwise obsess about) what was once just a pastime. Like any good relationship, relationship to making music is going to change over a lifetime. I confess that the list of artistic endeavors that used to be my whole world, and that I've now mostly left behind is shockingly long. But it's okay, because life changes, the balance changes, and staying open is important.
Yeah, ok, I know I'm one of those people who has preached obsessive-fiddling tendencies - I love my obsession, but it has already gone through phases that take me to where I am now, wherever that is. And I also reserve the right to be inconsistent. :) I am (selfishly) glad to hear you're not putting your fiddle down for good. And thanks for sharing this part of your world with us.
Edited by - Earworm on 03/14/2024 10:05:19
TuneWeaver - Posted - 03/14/2024: 10:37:27
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Originally posted by Earworm
Getting the balance right is the tricky part, I think. I have heard how so few people have actual hobbies anymore because so many people want to try to monetize (or otherwise obsess about) what was once just a pastime. Like any good relationship, relationship to making music is going to change over a lifetime. I confess that the list of artistic endeavors that used to be my whole world, and that I've now mostly left behind is shockingly long. But it's okay, because life changes, the balance changes, and staying open is important.
Yeah, ok, I know I'm one of those people who has preached obsessive-fiddling tendencies - I love my obsession, but it has already gone through phases that take me to where I am now, wherever that is. And I also reserve the right to be inconsistent. :) I am (selfishly) glad to hear you're not putting your fiddle down for good. And thanks for sharing this part of your world with us.
Correct, I'm not putting down my fiddle for good, I'm giving up my attachment to it..and to pretty much everything else also..I don't have to quit doing anything I enjoy, but I've a better dispassionate view of things..(this is not the place to be more specific).. Check your personal messages in a few minutes..
wrench13 - Posted - 03/14/2024: 11:47:11
Zen or not, I told both of my wives and all my girlfriends that "I'll be playing music long after you are gone. If you are not OK with that, then let's cut bait and fish". Wife #2 still with me after 29 years. So, No, I am not giving up attachment to anything musical.
Lonesome Fiddler - Posted - 03/14/2024: 12:15:43
I just love playing the thing. It gives me a singing voice. Thanks to the fact I always have my Irish fiddle book open on the music stand, I can effortlessly waste away my days exploring new tunes to revel in. Yeah, I obsess over how deserving I am to keep wanting to get a better fiddle than the ones I already saw away on. But all in all I gotta say it's one of my favorite pastimes.
TuneWeaver - Posted - 03/14/2024: 13:21:48
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Originally posted by Old Scratch
To be honest, I think it is likely a sign of psychological good health to be able to pick up the fiddle (or paintbrush or golf club or book) or put it down, as opposed being obsessed with playing for it's own sake.
Profound, but simple point of view.. I like it.
bsed55 - Posted - 03/14/2024: 14:31:54
I am attached to my fiddle. I'll likely be buried with it. I make no apologies. My wife might leave me but my fiddle never will.
TuneWeaver - Posted - 03/14/2024: 15:20:13
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Originally posted by bsed55
I am attached to my fiddle. I'll likely be buried with it. I make no apologies. My wife might leave me but my fiddle never will.
That reminds me of something I said to Katie's ( my daughter) boyfriend (eventually Husband) the first time I met him.. I said, "you can ask her to do anything except that if she ever had to choose between you and her fiddle.. she'd choose the fiddle"..I'm not sure that that is all that important at this time, but ten years ago it seemed important..There is more to life than music..
Fiddler - Posted - 03/14/2024: 15:44:13
This is one of my favorite poems. Yes,Robert Service is same Canadian poet who wrote the Cremation of Sam McGee. He is only recently being accepted and recognized as an important 20th Century poet. I read this poem daily. For me, this is a reminder to play now and not wait, especially if playing music is important. Yes, my wife is important. My career was important. (I'm now retired.) My house and yard are important. My spiritual life is important. My friends and community are important. But, so is playing my fiddle. I need to make it a priority and give it the daily attention that I give to the other aspects of my life.
Fiddler by Robert Service
Oh! I have built a house at last,
To fill with music night and say;
For I have laboured in the past
And had no small a time to play.
My house is of a whin-grey stone;
Its walls are bare for poor I be,
But with my fiddle all alone,
I'll have rare company.
My fiddle's old and so am I.
For it I've often longed in vain.
Bleak years and years I've layed it bye,
But now I'll take it up again.
For in four frail gut strings I know
All music sleeps for me to wake,
And here before the peat-fire glow
Fine melody I'll make.
I'll leave my fiddle by the bed,
And take it in the morning bright,
So all the dreaming in my head
Will weave into a web of light.
Or lone lament - I'm fearing so,
For I have waited far too long,
And all a life of want and woe
May well into my song.
But no! I'll make these wintry walls
like Spring, with dancing day and night;
And when the Great Conductor call,
My fiddle I'll be holding tight.
My last love! Worth its weight in gold . . .
Yet - on its strings my fingers lie
So warped and worn, so stiff and cold . . .
Too late! - I want to cry.
farmerjones - Posted - 03/14/2024: 18:01:43
Live music. Something so simple as a guy or girl singing and playing a song is very special today. That's what makes downtown Nashville so special. Seems like older folks really hold live music as a treasure and touchstone of better days. I'm simply one of those old phearts. The thing is, I can make it for myself. Ninety-nine percent of the time, I'm just singing and / or playing by my lonesome.
Now, take the rarity of live music and make it rarer by an order of magnitude. This is what fiddling is. Fiddlers are special! Now, here at FHO, they don't seem to be, but this is an illusion. What's happening is the rarity becoming an eventual extinction. If we don't hold certain things dear, they'll go away. But alas, we all go away. I've tried to pass it on with limited success. Serving as an example feels like the best I can do at this point. I gotta keep going. By now it's almost like brushing ones teeth.
Edited by - farmerjones on 03/14/2024 18:04:25
TuneWeaver - Posted - 03/14/2024: 18:11:01
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Originally posted by farmerjones
Live music. Something so simple as a guy or girl singing and playing a song is very special today. That's what makes downtown Nashville so special. Seems like older folks really hold live music as a treasure and touchstone of better days. I'm simply one of those old phearts. The thing is, I can make it for myself. Ninety-nine percent of the time, I'm just singing and / or playing by my lonesome.
Now, take the rarity of live music and make it rarer by an order of magnitude. This is what fiddling is. Fiddlers are special! Now, here at FHO, they don't seem to be, but this is an illusion. What's happening is the rarity becoming an eventual extinction. If we don't hold certain things dear, they'll go away. But alas, we all go away. I've tried to pass it on with limited success. Serving as an example feels like the best I can do at this point. I gotta keep going. By now it's almost like brushing ones teeth.
I'll never deny that I've always thought that playing a fiddle was something I was MEANT to do on this little earth..but still, I need do play it with awareness and intent .. That puts (IMO) the inner Me into the music.. In that way, I'm playing the music, and it is not playing me!!! (clear as a bell, right?)
The Violin Beautiful - Posted - 03/14/2024: 18:33:03
It’s common for players to go through periods of more or less interest throughout their playing careers. I think if you’re comfortable with the amount of playing you do, there’s nothing to be concerned about. It’s of course a wonderful thing for a player to have an insatiable appetite for the instrument, but it’s no requirement. Very many players play when time allows and make the violin a part of life but not its focus.
Playing long-term, it’s easy to feel stagnant if you do a lot of the same thing all the time or don’t build repertoire or technique. Finding new styles to play or new material can be an inspiration. If you’re a task-oriented person, choosing goals toward which to work can increase one’s devotion.
Lonesome Fiddler - Posted - 03/14/2024: 19:47:31
Truly! Keep learning. Keep playing. Keep testing yourself. See what this baby'll do.
JonD - Posted - 03/14/2024: 20:26:54
I don't have much to add except that Lee's post and the subsequent conversation has made me think hard about my relationship to the fiddle and music in general, and that is a good thing. I think. Thanks Lee, and journey on....
farmerjones - Posted - 03/14/2024: 20:43:12
I thought it was a good thing when the music is playing me? Well, as we say, IMHO.
RinconMtnErnie - Posted - 03/15/2024: 06:00:53
I think of it in terms of
- Personal relationship with the fiddle (how often do I play, why do I do it, opportunity cost of other activities like exercise)
- Family (how does this impact my wife on a daily basis or on travel, for example)
- Local musicians (Is it this a good thing musically and socially)
- The musical community at large (Again is this a good thing musically and socially, and is it worth potentially significant expense and vacation time to do this)
I have the first two items pretty well in hand, but the latter two are very much in flux!
TuneWeaver - Posted - 03/15/2024: 06:17:37
As with many topics, sometimes ideas get lost/changed in interpretation.. For the record, I have no intention of giving up my activities, but I've reassessed my ''attachment'', mentally/emotionally to the fiddle and pretty much everything else..To not be attached gives a great feeling of freedom...
Brian Wood - Posted - 03/15/2024: 10:44:41
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Originally posted by TuneWeaver
As with many topics, sometimes ideas get lost/changed in interpretation.. For the record, I have no intention of giving up my activities, but I've reassessed my ''attachment'', mentally/emotionally to the fiddle and pretty much everything else..To not be attached gives a great feeling of freedom...
People are giving their take on what you originally said, is all. I think you're being mysterious.
Erockin - Posted - 03/15/2024: 10:50:08
I once knew a wise man who wrote a so called book called "Lower Your F_ _ _ _ _ _ Expectations" and that's all the book said. Every page the same thing...lol. He was a Therapist who wanted to market this book as a funny scam/joke. I think of him often when I'm challenged by the universe.
TuneWeaver - Posted - 03/15/2024: 10:57:31
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Originally posted by Brian Wood
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Originally posted by TuneWeaver
As with many topics, sometimes ideas get lost/changed in interpretation.. For the record, I have no intention of giving up my activities, but I've reassessed my ''attachment'', mentally/emotionally to the fiddle and pretty much everything else..To not be attached gives a great feeling of freedom...
People are giving their take on what you originally said, is all. I think you're being mysterious.
Yes, and I did ask for comments.. Some folks seem to get what I'm saying, others not so much. No wrong answers/comments..I'm not trying to be mysterious, just bring up the topic of not being attached.. Not playing any games...
Earworm - Posted - 03/15/2024: 11:03:36
I think it's like this, if I may: some folks wear their fiddle (identity) like a tight glove, others like a heavy coat, and some like a ball cap they put off and on again. Sometimes you switch how you wear your fiddle (identity), either a little at a time or all at once, and it feels weird when you realize the change, but you know, it's just life. It flows.
TuneWeaver - Posted - 03/15/2024: 11:11:31
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Originally posted by Earworm
I think it's like this, if I may: some folks wear their fiddle (identity) like a tight glove, others like a heavy coat, and some like a ball cap they put off and on again. Sometimes you switch how you wear your fiddle (identity), either a little at a time or all at once, and it feels weird when you realize the change, but you know, it's just life. It flows.
Great comments Donna.. My detachment didn't come all at once..it happened over years..Then, one day I just realized that well, I was Detached, even though I still love fiddling..The appreciation of not being attached to things/areas had an effect in other areas. For instance I'm now more detached from the things used to irritate me, which makes me more tolerant..... Although I've always washed dished in my home I'm now actually enjoying it... I'll quit here...
doryman - Posted - 03/15/2024: 12:03:18
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Originally posted by TuneWeaver
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Originally posted by Earworm
I think it's like this, if I may: some folks wear their fiddle (identity) like a tight glove, others like a heavy coat, and some like a ball cap they put off and on again. Sometimes you switch how you wear your fiddle (identity), either a little at a time or all at once, and it feels weird when you realize the change, but you know, it's just life. It flows.
Great comments Donna.. My detachment didn't come all at once..it happened over years..Then, one day I just realized that well, I was Detached, even though I still love fiddling..The appreciation of not being attached to things/areas had an effect in other areas. For instance I'm now more detached from the things used to irritate me, which makes me more tolerant..... Although I've always washed dished in my home I'm now actually enjoying it... I'll quit here...
I don't know about Donna's fiddle playing, I've never heard her play but, if she plays like she writes, she's a virtuoso.
Earworm - Posted - 03/15/2024: 12:13:07
Naw, you guys just inspire me, that's all.
Edited by - Earworm on 03/15/2024 12:22:05
Brian Wood - Posted - 03/15/2024: 13:53:47
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Originally posted by TuneWeaver
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Originally posted by Brian Wood
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Originally posted by TuneWeaver
As with many topics, sometimes ideas get lost/changed in interpretation.. For the record, I have no intention of giving up my activities, but I've reassessed my ''attachment'', mentally/emotionally to the fiddle and pretty much everything else..To not be attached gives a great feeling of freedom...
People are giving their take on what you originally said, is all. I think you're being mysterious.
Yes, and I did ask for comments.. Some folks seem to get what I'm saying, others not so much. No wrong answers/comments..I'm not trying to be mysterious, just bring up the topic of not being attached.. Not playing any games...
Well then, I somewhat disagree with the idea that "attachment" is the way to measure a persons involvement with the world. Attachment is value laden, often seen to measure one's need, and neediness is considered a bad trait. I'd suggest thinking in terms of engagement - how engaged one is with something. I find fiddling engages me a lot and I imagine it will be a struggle when the time comes to give it up, assuming that happens before I die. But that time's not now. I don't see the point of trying to "detach" or not need it ahead of time. Life is engagement with what you do. I only wish to un-attach myself when need gets in my way. I don't need to get up in the morning, either, but I'm attached to the idea.
TuneWeaver - Posted - 03/15/2024: 14:08:40
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Originally posted by Brian Wood
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Originally posted by TuneWeaver
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Originally posted by Brian Wood
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Originally posted by TuneWeaver
As with many topics, sometimes ideas get lost/changed in interpretation.. For the record, I have no intention of giving up my activities, but I've reassessed my ''attachment'', mentally/emotionally to the fiddle and pretty much everything else..To not be attached gives a great feeling of freedom...
People are giving their take on what you originally said, is all. I think you're being mysterious.
Yes, and I did ask for comments.. Some folks seem to get what I'm saying, others not so much. No wrong answers/comments..I'm not trying to be mysterious, just bring up the topic of not being attached.. Not playing any games...
Well then, I somewhat disagree with the idea that "attachment" is the way to measure a persons involvement with the world. Attachment is value laden, often seen to measure one's need, and neediness is considered a bad trait. I'd suggest thinking in terms of engagement - how engaged one is with something. I find fiddling engages me a lot and I imagine it will be a struggle when the time comes to give it up, assuming that happens before I die. But that time's not now. I don't see the point of trying to "detach" or not need it ahead of time. Life is engagement with what you do. I only wish to un-attach myself when need gets in my way. I don't need to get up in the morning, either, but I'm attached to the idea.
That is one way of looking at it.. As I've said, somewhere, words fall short at times when I need to get a point across...I'm enjoying the interchanges among Hangout members..
ChickenMan - Posted - 03/15/2024: 15:21:29
This is all very... Buddhist...
Music is life, does not exist without life, is created by....life.
bsed55 - Posted - 03/15/2024: 15:35:58
I think you're on to something Lee. What's the difference between one who reads from the sheet, and one who plays "by" heart? If you can toss the score then you are free of that encumbrance (encum.....What?!), and then you are playing from the heart.
Edited by - bsed55 on 03/15/2024 15:36:22
tonyelder - Posted - 03/15/2024: 18:42:56
Serious note.... I'm not sure that this is what Lee is aiming at. But, I know that the ideas he has expressed - at least in my mind - has is compelling me to say this:
If you have reached the age in life that I have been blessed to reach - chances are - you are finding yourself thinking more about how precious time is, and how little of it you have left (if you haven't - you probably will). And after seriously considering what that means to me - my perspective on things has started to shift and I have started to understand what kind of impact my life has on others - especially on those I care about. I'm coming to as place in life now where its not so important for me to hear: "He's a good fiddler", singer, musician, or gardener, craftsman, designer, leader, or whatever it is - that I have wanted to be know as. The real value of any / all of those things can only be realized - when I learn their greatest good is not found in how they define me. I'm glad I've come to a place where I recognize that. I'm praying that a stronger desire will come from a place where I understand how much more meaningful it would be to hear: "He is a friend " ...who uses the fiddle, sings, gardens, and builds things. I need to be more aware that the tool is handled best when it is used to "edify" and be a blessing to those I love - regardless of how well I know them.
Maybe I missed Lee's point (sorry Lee), or maybe I'm just becoming an old sentimental fool. But, no apologies.
...it's Lee's fault. 
TuneWeaver - Posted - 03/16/2024: 04:49:39
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Originally posted by tonyelder
Serious note.... I'm not sure that this is what Lee is aiming at. But, I know that the ideas he has expressed - at least in my mind - has is compelling me to say this:
If you have reached the age in life that I have been blessed to reach - chances are - you are finding yourself thinking more about how precious time is, and how little of it you have left (if you haven't - you probably will). And after seriously considering what that means to me - my perspective on things has started to shift and I have started to understand what kind of impact my life has on others - especially on those I care about. I'm coming to as place in life now where its not so important for me to hear: "He's a good fiddler", singer, musician, or gardener, craftsman, designer, leader, or whatever it is - that I have wanted to be know as. The real value of any / all of those things can only be realized - when I learn their greatest good is not found in how they define me. I'm glad I've come to a place where I recognize that. I'm praying that a stronger desire will come from a place where I understand how much more meaningful it would be to hear: "He is a friend " ...who uses the fiddle, sings, gardens, and builds things. I need to be more aware that the tool is handled best when it is used to "edify" and be a blessing to those I love - regardless of how well I know them.
Maybe I missed Lee's point (sorry Lee), or maybe I'm just becoming an old sentimental fool. But, no apologies.
...it's Lee's fault.
I'll take the blame, Tony!!!! (check your messages)...
RobBob - Posted - 03/16/2024: 05:06:30
Reading the name of this thread I was reminded of the spiritual practice of giving something up so you can have it, Fiddling has always been very spiritual personally. It is like not looking for something so you can find it, like glasses or your phone.
TuneWeaver - Posted - 03/16/2024: 05:14:30
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Originally posted by RobBob
Reading the name of this thread I was reminded of the spiritual practice of giving something up so you can have it, Fiddling has always been very spiritual personally. It is like not looking for something so you can find it, like glasses or your phone.
good point... and pretty accurate IMO...
tonyelder - Posted - 03/16/2024: 17:49:46
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Originally posted by TuneWeaver
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Originally posted by RobBob
Reading the name of this thread I was reminded of the spiritual practice of giving something up so you can have it, Fiddling has always been very spiritual personally. It is like not looking for something so you can find it, like glasses or your phone.
good point... and pretty accurate IMO...
So, the take away is: "Stop trying to do it, so you can do it"?
i'M SO CONFUSED.....
TuneWeaver - Posted - 03/16/2024: 18:05:48
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Originally posted by tonyelder
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Originally posted by TuneWeaver
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Originally posted by RobBob
Reading the name of this thread I was reminded of the spiritual practice of giving something up so you can have it, Fiddling has always been very spiritual personally. It is like not looking for something so you can find it, like glasses or your phone.
good point... and pretty accurate IMO...
So, the take away is: "Stop trying to do it, so you can do it"?
i'M SO CONFUSED.....
farmerjones - Posted - 03/16/2024: 18:26:14
Google "flower sermon"
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