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 ARCHIVED TOPIC: When should I go for extra fiddle classes


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Quincy - Posted - 05/22/2021:  23:44:57


And again another question.



I am thinking about taking extra fiddle classes in future. I found this fiddler on YouTube playing Golden Slippers ... thought he rocked and found out he also gives Zoom classes, American Old Time. And suddenly it came to my mind that I might have chosen a future teacher. It was not only the way he sounded but certainly also the way he was bowing that got my attention, his bow was everywhere dancing and bouncing over the strings, I loved this structured chaos.

I am not even sure what American Old Time wants to say, but it would be so nice if I could take some technique classes. ( And is this bow hold where you hold it not at the end but a bit higher up an obligation?)

When is it a good point to mix up my violin classes with extra fiddle lessons? 

I started my violin classes 10 months ago.


Edited by - Quincy on 05/22/2021 23:51:08

UsuallyPickin - Posted - 05/23/2021:  05:46:13


Well .... bow hold is an entirely personal choice among fiddlers if not among violinists. The size of your hand length of your fingers the suppleness of you joints will all play into your bow hold choice. Technique and practice .... Watch some Bruce Molsky videos for right hand action. That man has some loooong fingers. More information will broaden your understanding of your technique and fiddling possibilities. IMO that is never a bad thing. One caveat though would be that your teacher may encourage outside experiences or, they may not. Play on!

The Violin Beautiful - Posted - 05/23/2021:  15:26:17


Taking some lessons from someone else can be a great supplement. I would suggest holding off on the extra lessons just until you have a little more solid technical foundation. It can stall or undo progress if you get conflicting information.

Talk to your current teacher about it as well. That way no one will feel uncomfortable and the teacher can provide insight on when you’re ready for branching out a bit.

Quincy - Posted - 05/23/2021:  23:36:32


Thank you both, this answerred all my questions.

TuneWeaver - Posted - 05/24/2021:  12:08:57


Plus, be sure that the teacher you have in mind is willing to teach specific techniques you may have in mind.. For example, in Old Time, I'd ask do you want to learn to use chords ? Drones? bow patterns? specific tunes?... Do you want to learn some crooked tunes? Dance tunes? Waltzs? Not every teacher can teach every thing.. Just an old man's thoughts..

Lonesome Fiddler - Posted - 05/24/2021:  13:39:50


I'd personally slow down on the lessons and just focus on bow control and intonation. Also, work on eliciting a variety of tonalities. By turns, make it sound pretty, or aggressive, or any other quality you might want to generate. Even more, I'd work on being able to relax. Get truly comfortable with the weird ways you're supposed to hold the instrument and the stick you use to make it squeal.

DougD - Posted - 05/24/2021:  13:49:15


I'd agree with Rich that you should discuss this with your teacher. That way everyone will be on the same page.
I'd also caution about relying too much on YouTube. There's some good stuff out there, but also a lot of garbage. If you're looking for advice about something (and so by definition don't know the answer) it can be hard to seperate the wheat from the chaff.

groundhogpeggy - Posted - 05/24/2021:  14:04:39


But if you're gluten free...the corn from the husk...and that's so much easier! Lol...sorry...humoring myself...time for coffee to settle me down into something more serious!

Quincy - Posted - 05/25/2021:  06:45:09


I just played while holding my bow not at the end but a bit higher up, I can easily notice how this gives you plenty of control to play faster .... I asked my violin teacher, she says that bow hold is indeed a possibility, however during classes we try to reach this by playing mainly the upper part of the bow when playing typical fiddle songs like Drunken Sailor and Drowsy Maggie and Swallowtail Jig.

I guess switching bow hold now and then won't hurt. It's nice to know it gives a different feeling of control to hold it like that, but I guess I prefer the bow hold I am using now, it feels like it gives more options.

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