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TuneWeaver - Posted - 08/05/2020:  13:22:58


Seems that I'm THINKING that I'm more than a functional fiddler.. The world would be impressed if they could just hear me play.. with or without accompaniment .. However, once I turn on a recording device.. All H#!! brakes loose and every squeek, squawk and slick bow spot..shows up...and I sound terrible..
It is called "Red light fever"....bummer..
I'm glad I'M the only one who has this problem..

Johnbow - Posted - 08/05/2020:  13:45:35


No sir, you most certainly are not the only one. My “paralysis” can at times extend to any pressure when playing, ie. in front of others. It depends on the others. I was actually thinking of recording something to post here but am feeling a bit chicken. We’ll see.

It won’t be any great loss if I don’t.

Johnbow - Posted - 08/05/2020:  13:55:18


Geez! I seem to be all over this board. Sorry about that folks. All this staying at home has me a little restless.

Lonesome Fiddler - Posted - 08/05/2020:  13:57:47


I'm video-ing myself daily in a feeble attempt to get mellow enough to do a vid that won't embarrass me.

TuneWeaver - Posted - 08/05/2020:  13:59:43


quote:

Originally posted by Johnbow

No sir, you most certainly are not the only one. My “paralysis” can at times extend to any pressure when playing, ie. in front of others. It depends on the others. I was actually thinking of recording something to post here but am feeling a bit chicken. We’ll see.



It won’t be any great loss if I don’t.






It is interesting.. I'm fine if I play in front of 75 dancers.. not a bit of nervousness.. Except when comes to a waltz (my weakness).. then I think that Everyone is going to judge me, which makes me play too slow, too fast or off time!!! Funny..

TuneWeaver - Posted - 08/05/2020:  14:01:53


quote:

Originally posted by Lonesome Fiddler

I'm video-ing myself daily in a feeble attempt to get mellow enough to do a vid that won't embarrass me.






When I dicide that I AM going to record, then I just play and cross my fingers in hopes that the Hangout members will be understanding..!!

Johnbow - Posted - 08/05/2020:  14:07:20


quote:

Originally posted by TuneWeaver

quote:

Originally posted by Johnbow

No sir, you most certainly are not the only one. My “paralysis” can at times extend to any pressure when playing, ie. in front of others. It depends on the others. I was actually thinking of recording something to post here but am feeling a bit chicken. We’ll see.



It won’t be any great loss if I don’t.






It is interesting.. I'm fine if I play in front of 75 dancers.. not a bit of nervousness.. Except when comes to a waltz (my weakness).. then I think that Everyone is going to judge me, which makes me play too slow, too fast or off time!!! Funny..






Strange how the mind works.  I've not played the violin in front of an audience.  Other instruments yes.

ChickenMan - Posted - 08/05/2020:  14:16:49


I would say to you what I say to everyone who talks about recording issues: record yourself every time you I play, eventually it will be old hat. You don't even have to listen every time, though you should occasionally, just go through the motions of recording. Like everything else, a little practice goes a long way. You 'practice' recording yourself until it is no big deal.

Waltzes used to be my nervous part of playing for dances too.

Lonesome Fiddler - Posted - 08/05/2020:  14:21:23


Oddly, I have little trouble playing for audiences or in jam situations, no matter how small & exposed those jams might be. Sure, if I'm obliged to play in a style or a key that I don't have much experience with, I am a hair bit cautious. Vids, though, seem to put me under the gun.

TuneWeaver - Posted - 08/05/2020:  14:36:55


quote:

Originally posted by Lonesome Fiddler

Oddly, I have little trouble playing for audiences or in jam situations, no matter how small & exposed those jams might be. Sure, if I'm obliged to play in a style or a key that I don't have much experience with, I am a hair bit cautious. Vids, though, seem to put me under the gun.






Yeah, you don't want your good looks to bring a lot of groupies..!!!  Our good looks can be a curse.wink



I never look more bald than I do in a video..



 

TuneWeaver - Posted - 08/05/2020:  14:55:17


quote:

Originally posted by ChickenMan

I would say to you what I say to everyone who talks about recording issues: record yourself every time you I play, eventually it will be old hat. You don't even have to listen every time, though you should occasionally, just go through the motions of recording. Like everything else, a little practice goes a long way. You 'practice' recording yourself until it is no big deal.



Waltzes used to be my nervous part of playing for dances too.






Sure that sounds good but It is a PAIN to record every time I want to fiddle... I'd rather (and do ) have red light fever..  However.. I do always play better when I get someone to accompany.. but these days, that is hard to do..and of course when WE try to record we make several takes..

fiddlinsteudel - Posted - 08/05/2020:  15:08:02


quote:

Originally posted by TuneWeaver

 


Sure that sounds good but It is a PAIN to record every time I want to fiddle... I'd rather (and do ) have red light fever..  However.. I do always play better when I get someone to accompany.. but these days, that is hard to do..and of course when WE try to record we make several takes..






You don't have to make it complicated. Just stick your phone in front of you and use a free voice memo app. Or just take a video of yourself, even if it's not pointed at you.

TuneWeaver - Posted - 08/05/2020:  15:11:52


quote:

Originally posted by fiddlinsteudel

quote:

Originally posted by TuneWeaver

 


Sure that sounds good but It is a PAIN to record every time I want to fiddle... I'd rather (and do ) have red light fever..  However.. I do always play better when I get someone to accompany.. but these days, that is hard to do..and of course when WE try to record we make several takes..






You don't have to make it complicated. Just stick your phone in front of you and use a free voice memo app. Or just take a video of yourself, even if it's not pointed at you.






Yes, I know you guys are right.. Maybe just record myself in a JAM.. I'm always at my best there.. and others are joining in.!!



 

fiddlinsteudel - Posted - 08/05/2020:  15:17:26







Yes, I know you guys are right.. Maybe just record myself in a JAM.. I'm always at my best there.. and others are joining in.!!



 




 



Don't worry about being the best. Matter of fact, you don't even have to listen to yourself at first. :)

TuneWeaver - Posted - 08/05/2020:  15:35:31


quote:

Originally posted by fiddlinsteudel






Yes, I know you guys are right.. Maybe just record myself in a JAM.. I'm always at my best there.. and others are joining in.!!



 




 



Don't worry about being the best. Matter of fact, you don't even have to listen to yourself at first. :)






I only listen to myself AFTER I've posted here on "sound off".. then I cringe.. when I don't get 'likes'... I DO tend to only post tunes that I'm working on and not the ones that are 'in my bones', so naturally, I'm sticking my neck out.. but I get excited about learning new tunes.. and sometimes post before I "own" them..I have come to the conclusion that I'm my worse critic..and that if I don't sound my best.. well, I'm posting and others may not be.. It is always a scary  leap forward to put it out there for others to hear. One must get past one's own ego..!!!  and that is hard to do..



Talk is cheap.. the proof is in the 'pudding'...!! The problem comes when the pudding doesn't taste good!!!  When I listen to some of  our Member's recordings, I'm Stunned by their skill.. and humbled..But, I refuse to succumb to my fears.. .........so.. I'll occasionally post.. I am what I am..( didn't Popeye say that?)



 



 


Edited by - TuneWeaver on 08/05/2020 15:48:53

WyoBob - Posted - 08/05/2020:  16:10:30


quote:

Originally posted by Johnbow

Geez! I seem to be all over this board. Sorry about that folks. All this staying at home has me a little restless.






Post away.   The Fiddle Hangout can always use some posts (when compared to the Banjo Hangout).   As a newbie, I'll read anything that has to do with the fiddlesmiley

farmerjones - Posted - 08/05/2020:  16:40:08


Just can't beat Billy's advice: Rehearse. Sounds over simple, but it's so true. Only rehearse what you want to get good at. smiley



 



How do i play when i hit record? I play how i play. Usually the 1st take is the one. I just think/act like i don't give two fecese. Truth, nobody watches my stuff anyway. The view counter doesn't lie. 


Edited by - farmerjones on 08/05/2020 16:48:04

TuneWeaver - Posted - 08/05/2020:  16:53:34


quote:

Originally posted by farmerjones

Just can't beat Billy's advice: Rehearse. Sounds over simple, but it's so true. Only rehearse what you want to get good at. smiley



 



How do i play when i hit record? I play how i play. Usually the 1st take is the one. I just think/act like i don't give two fecese. Truth, nobody watches my stuff anyway. The view counter doesn't lie. 






Yes.  No "likes'' is not the same as  a "NOT like".. gotta remember that.



 

ChickenMan - Posted - 08/05/2020:  17:47:28


I think Mark has some good suggestions there, Lee wink



Use your phone, hit the button, play for a while, relax as you forget you are recording, suddenly remember you are recording and shut it off. Then, if you want to listen, skip forward and listen after you'd forgotten. Or just delete it when you're done. The comment about it being a PAIN and how you'd rather have red light fever says a lot about a mindset that is getting in your way. Let that marinate, my friend, you'll see what I'm getting at. angel 



We are all our own worst critic, so listening can be rough. I personally use it when I'm working on a new tune, to hear what's happening, if I'm missing something, tempo issues or whatnot. I am lately hearing what not playing has done for my playing! laugh


Edited by - ChickenMan on 08/05/2020 17:47:41

Lonesome Fiddler - Posted - 08/05/2020:  18:09:12


quote:

Originally posted by fiddlinsteudel

quote:

Originally posted by TuneWeaver

 


Sure that sounds good but It is a PAIN to record every time I want to fiddle... I'd rather (and do ) have red light fever..  However.. I do always play better when I get someone to accompany.. but these days, that is hard to do..and of course when WE try to record we make several takes..






You don't have to make it complicated. Just stick your phone in front of you and use a free voice memo app. Or just take a video of yourself, even if it's not pointed at you.






I wish it were that easy.  Phones are slippery and slim.  How do you prop it up so that it actually puts you & your fiddle in the frame?  Do you put it on the kitchen table and lean it against a beer glass?   Sure, you can actually hold the camera, but then you gotta play one-handed.  Your significant other, meantime, can be a little peeved when you kindly request they be your cinematographer.  They get more peeved when you ask for a second/third/fourth take.  I've jerry-rigged a cell phone holder that I can attach to a tripod but it ain't exactly secure or easy to level.  Worse,  pressing the record button never fails to knock the phone off-kilter.  



Luckily, though, I have a travel camera that fastens securely to my tripod.  It has better audio & video than my cell phone, anyway.  The thing is, it's not exactly a one-button process to transfer recordings to my laptop so I can post them.  The camera uses an old school SD card located in a spot that demands the camera be removed from the tripod before I can access it.  It's a several step process to get the card into your hands.  It involves enough work to make me want to do several takes so I can find the best one. 



Finally, if I'm gonna do a recording I want to see myself so I can see what the heck I look like when I play.  Our fellow Fiddle Hangout members want to see us, too.   Do I make ugly faces?  Do my eyes widen like an axe murderer's?



In other words, at least for me it demands a lot of fiddling to record myself playing the fiddle.laugh

ChickenMan - Posted - 08/05/2020:  18:39:52


That advise was for audio. Video with the phone is indeed a pain in the arse.

DougD - Posted - 08/05/2020:  18:48:55


Why do you need video? I don't usually find videos of just people playing very interesting, unless I'm trying to learn their technique, or its an "artsy" production of some kind. Seems like audio will give you a pretty good idea how you're doing.
PS - In fact, I guess I've seen videos of most of the people in this thread!


Edited by - DougD on 08/05/2020 18:50:54

Flat_the_3rd_n7th - Posted - 08/05/2020:  19:02:50


Recording doesn't booger me, neither does playing for strangers. It's playing for people I KNOW (outside of family and bandmates).



Another vote for immersing in whatever it is that spooks you.  (Unless it's snakes, or something)



This fellow has a pretty good blog on performing under pressure issues. Interesting columns every week.

 



bulletproofmusician.com/

farmerjones - Posted - 08/05/2020:  19:48:32


Why video? Just because youtube has a slick/quick and easily shareable platform. It's actually harder for me to get the right audio format, and convert it, blah, blah, blah. With vid. I just whip out the phone and there you go. I used to produce a slide show over my audio. Nope. Too much work. I ain't pretty, and do not care.

groundhogpeggy - Posted - 08/05/2020:  19:50:45


I never could stand photos of myself or especially videos of myself. Omg...I am so scared when I try to make a video...and it seems it's getting worse all the time...I just about can't think, can't talk, can't function...I try once in a while just to try to get used to it, but it gets worse instead of better.



As far as audio recording...I've gotten into a real habit of multi-track recording, to the point that since I'm pretty much a hermit, even before covid came along, that it's my only way out to the world. Do I get red light fever? Yes, every doggone time. But I have developed a process, or procedure you could say, with my own little rules and regulations and order of which things are done in what order, etc., to the point that it actually does calm my nerves to follow some sort of standard to go by.



When I first go downstairs to where my machine is, I get the shakes...get nervous, and start out trying too hard...just not relaxed and not into the spirit of the tune or song I'm doing. So I drink a little coffee, tell myself to calm down and hone in on the spirit of the tune and nothing else...after a few false starts, I usually start to get into it. But, you'd think after these past three or four years of nothing but multi track after multi track and putting them up on youtube, I'd be getting used to it. NOPE. It scares me and gives me bad jitters. But the procedure I follow, that I made up gradually, plus coffee and a lot of self talk...calm down and find that spirit of the tune that makes you wanna play it...quit trying too hard to be good, and try instead to find whatever it is in that tune that compels you to play it...take a deep breath and try it again...that's all I can do.



I used to do better in front of an audience...normally I played by myself...just singing and guitar...I had my bag of jokes and interaction with the audience to where if I could keep them kinda laughing and entertained then I felt fine playing for them. But then decades went by with no place to play...not much anyway, a little here and there, and I started getting audience jitters too. by the time I was in a little amateur BG band my nerves were a mess...I did like playing for the audience more than i feared playing for them, fortunately, but I was never as calm and light-hearted about the fun of it like I used to be in the old days with just my guitar and singing. The last time I played on stage I was shaking so bad I could hardly play...lol...played Windy & Warm on guitar and there was a guy who used to be in that band with me playing bass with me. Whew...that was hard on my nerves. Windy and Warm is jsut hard on stage for me anyway...can't ever feel like I've got the right volume to be able to pick as lightly as I need to on that...so I end up plucking the daylights out of the strings, which is clumsy and fatigues your fingers by the time you get to the end...then there's that spirit of the tune thing that goes right down the drain when you feel more like you're plucking a chicken than playing a tune...lol. I made it through...but it was tough. I really didn't enjoy that.



So anyway...yes, red light fever...it's a real thing. I guess one's love of music needs to be at a higher level than one's fear of doing it...lol. Pretty crazy, ain't it?



Oh I went and found the youtubes for proof...lol...here's my playing of Windy and Warm with a managed case of red light fever in the privacy and comfort of my presonus room with a lot of coffee and isolation...  youtu.be/Jsda1Vps-EQ



By contrast, here I am playing it on stage...can't remember when...maybe three years ago or so...some kinda fund raiser concert somehow I got involved in...Mike started recording it with his cell phone and then his battery died, so he grabbed mine to finish...this is the second part of it after he started using my phone...the first part is somewhere on my channel but it's short...anyhow...by the time he got the second phone recording, my fingers were already worn out from strenuous plucking the daylights out of the strings...you can watch me fatigue and struggle as I go along and besides the fatigue and struggle because I can't ever hear the guitar right and fight with it, I was nauseous and sweaty and shaky and just self conscious and not comfortable at all...you can watch me gradually falling apart and barely hanging it together.  Plus this guy playing the bass, who played in the BG band I was in...he'd played it with me in the band a few timews, but it had been years, and I was afraid we wouldn't be on the same page with all the parts...lol...so...wasn't fun... youtu.be/IdHYZAILDR4



I think I'll stick with presonus...lol.


Edited by - groundhogpeggy on 08/05/2020 20:10:54

Fiddler - Posted - 08/06/2020:  07:57:18


Recording doesn't bother me - too much. I, too, get red light fever.

However, what DOES disturb me is the way that audio capturing devices alters my playing from the virtuosic fiddler that I know that I am to the unbearable, struggling novice.

Geesshhh!

You would think that current technology would give more accurate reproduction of sound!!!

fiddlinsteudel - Posted - 08/06/2020:  09:16:08


quote:

Originally posted by Lonesome Fiddler

quote:



I wish it were that easy.  Phones are slippery and slim.  How do you prop it up so that it actually puts you & your fiddle in the frame?  Do you put it on the kitchen table and lean it against a beer glass?   Sure, you can actually hold the camera, but then you gotta play one-handed.  Your significant other, meantime, can be a little peeved when you kindly request they be your cinematographer.  They get more peeved when you ask for a second/third/fourth take.  I've jerry-rigged a cell phone holder that I can attach to a tripod but it ain't exactly secure or easy to level.  Worse,  pressing the record button never fails to knock the phone off-kilter.  




It is that easy! Obviously there are levels, if you are so bad at being recorded, don't even worry about framing or good audio, just throw your phone on the table and go. Don't let all the unimportant technical issues stop you from getting better.



if you actually want to get a framed video of you playing, just use a phone tripod mount, they are like 10 bucks on amazon and they clamp onto most phones and screw into a tripod. If you don't have a tripod you can get desktop ones (they site around 5 - 10" high) to inexpensive 4' ones that come with Bluetooth remotes for like 20 - 25 dollars, these all include the tripod/phone mount/bluetooth remote.



If you don't want to spend any money you can make a DIY tripod out of plastic cups or credit cards or paper binder clips.



youtu.be/TTtJovKtujo



Again IF truly want to practice this and get better don't let all the technical details stop you from practicing it. As you get more comfortable and want better production, just iteratively improve things.


Edited by - fiddlinsteudel on 08/06/2020 09:20:17

TuneWeaver - Posted - 08/06/2020:  11:56:00


Well, I broke down and recorded.... Bumble Bee in a Jug.. Made about 6 recordings and picked the best.. I posted it in "sound off".. check it out..

groundhogpeggy - Posted - 08/06/2020:  14:23:11


Were you stricken with the dreaded ol' red light fever? I mean, it didn't sound like it...just sounded like fun. Nice fiddling!

TuneWeaver - Posted - 08/06/2020:  14:26:27


quote:

Originally posted by groundhogpeggy

Were you stricken with the dreaded ol' red light fever? I mean, it didn't sound like it...just sounded like fun. Nice fiddling!






I had Larry play the guitar LOUD just to hide my errors.. so.... what does THAT say?



 

tonyelder - Posted - 08/06/2020:  17:07:08


Every time I start to offer my 2 cents, I feel compelled to delete it when it gets around 15 cents.

Lee, you're a good fiddler. Few people would even be aware of your red light syndrome if you never mentioned it. It's not near as evident as you think.

TuneWeaver - Posted - 08/06/2020:  17:29:58


quote:

Originally posted by tonyelder

Every time I start to offer my 2 cents, I feel compelled to delete it when it gets around 15 cents.



Lee, you're a good fiddler. Few people would even be aware of your red light syndrome if you never mentioned it. It's not near as evident as you think.






Thanks, but remember we recorded 6 times to get ONE..laugh descent recording.. 


Edited by - TuneWeaver on 08/06/2020 17:42:06

ChickenMan - Posted - 08/06/2020:  18:02:00


quote:

Originally posted by TuneWeaver

quote:

Lee, you're a good fiddler. Few people would even be aware of your red light syndrome if you never mentioned it.



Thanks, but remember we recorded 6 times to get ONE..laugh descent recording.. 






I'd say that is not a surprise considering a) it is a new tune - right? Or not, then disregard - 2) you have not done much practice of recording yet. c) folks often need a few takes to get it "right" enough for them. 

buckhenry - Posted - 08/06/2020:  18:16:25


Lee, you are a very unique fiddler, I could pick you out from a 100 fiddlers, and your tunes are very danceable.

You must of played at 100's of dances, and you got '3 full pages' of tunes in your music files with many 'likes', and you still got 'red light fever'.

And not to mention the 'busking'. I don't understand what it is, maybe just post the first take every time, and go busking solo now and then. Because maybe Harry is always stealing the show from you.

Maybe adopt a different goal when recording; instead of trying to produce perfect renditions, post the first take every time and don't worry about perfection. Do that enough times and it'll sure deflate the ego.....

TuneWeaver - Posted - 08/06/2020:  18:35:19


It is a mystery... Dancers don't bother me and obviously, busking doesn't either.. and Right.. Harry is a distraction.. as are dancers.. However when playing for HERE on the Hangout, I know that there is nothing between me and YOU... !! I find that just a little intimidating.. but of course not enough to NOT post, just enough to make me realize 'red light fever'....!!!

buckhenry - Posted - 08/06/2020:  19:06:04


It's fun playing for the dancers because they're not concerned with who is playing or how it's played, they're in complete concentration on the dance steps and interacting with other dances, so you are free from the focus of attention. Harry does that also, he takes the audience attention away from you, because it's really just amazing to see a rabbit play the fiddle. So what I am suggesting is to put your self in the situation that the attention is completely on you alone. I suggest this because it is how I overcome stage fright, which I believe is related to the 'red light fever'. The antidote is to actually 'just do it and feel the fear', you gotta cross the 'river of suck'. Record solo first takes and post them immediately, go busking without Harry to show it's 'you' playing the fiddle. And when the lockdown is over find some open mics and perform solo to listening audience.

TuneWeaver - Posted - 08/06/2020:  19:08:11


quote:

Originally posted by buckhenry

It's fun playing for the dancers because they're not concerned with who is playing or how it's played, they're in complete concentration on the dance steps and interacting with other dances, so you are free from the focus of attention. Harry does that also, he takes the audience attention away from you, because it's really just amazing to see a rabbit play the fiddle. So what I am suggesting is to put your self in the situation that the attention is completely on you alone. I suggest this because it is how I overcome stage fright, which I believe is related to the 'red light fever'. The antidote is to actually 'just do it and feel the fear', you gotta cross the 'river of suck'. Record solo first takes and post them immediately, go busking without Harry to show it's 'you' playing the fiddle. And when the lockdown is over find some open mics and perform solo to listening audience.






Yep.. You've got it..!!!



 

buckhenry - Posted - 08/06/2020:  19:11:41


quote:

Originally posted by TuneWeaver

 


Yep.. You've got it..!!!



 






Phew, I did not expect that reply, I just thought you were going to come up with another excuse.  

TuneWeaver - Posted - 08/06/2020:  22:27:55


Playing here for the Hangout members is not like playing for non fiddlers... Here, people are more likely to have an expectations that a non fiddler wouldn't have. I've heard it said, and there seems to be some truth to it, that musicians play for Each Other differently than they play for other audiences...As for me, I have a higher expectation of myself when playing for the Hangout..


Edited by - TuneWeaver on 08/06/2020 22:28:51

buckhenry - Posted - 08/06/2020:  23:26:10


quote:

Originally posted by TuneWeaver



 I have a higher expectation of myself when playing for the Hangout..






There you go see, this is the answer to your 'problem'..... your expectations of your self are 'TOO' High. 



 



 

ChickenMan - Posted - 08/07/2020:  03:31:20


Lee, it reminds me of how I used to get playing at our Fiddlers Association meetings and for the same reasons - playing for your peers. At 70, I would have thought you were over that. Are you having a mid(ish) life crisis? laugh



Did you buy a sports car that we don't know about?



I kid because we are friends. Henry hit it on the head - ego (we all have one) can get in our way. This is why our best playing is when we lose our "self" in the playing.


Edited by - ChickenMan on 08/07/2020 03:31:47

DougD - Posted - 08/07/2020:  04:51:01


I don't usually get nervous performing or recording (although I still make mistakes) usually its just exciting. However, some situations have been a little nerve wracking. A couple times I had the experience of looking offstage and seeing Norman Blake, whom I knew a little, watching us play. The last time this happened I was playing with a couple friends in a pickup trio to fill some empty time, the result of a scheduling error by the festival. I mentioned it to hin when we were done, and he said "I like those big bass runs," so I got over it. He was just enjoying it, not judging.
As far as multiple takes, I was engineering a Bluegrass record once and it took a somewhat well known banjo player 13 tries to overdub a break he liked. I may be misremembering the exact number, but it took forever.


Edited by - DougD on 08/07/2020 04:52:16

groundhogpeggy - Posted - 08/07/2020:  05:04:23


Playing to/for an audience automatically pulls you away from your music, I mean you have to fight that.
I never did like playing on stage...I've done it more than I would have ever wanted to in the past...I don't ever dress up or try to make myself look like something special...etc., I mean all that fake stuff it seems being on a stage demands...I'm just simple me and don't feel right on a stage, or really in front of a camera either.

My happiest playing moments from the past (haven't had them since we moved up here, and it's been 30 years up here!) were in sit-down settings...like a little corner of a street festival of some sort, some community festival...there's chairs in an area and people get a roasted ear of corn or sandwich and sit down or stand around and you're playing...just inovolved in your music...people come and go. People talk...or they listen, but the focus seems easier to get onto the music instead of the person playing it.

Or restaurants...for a while in Whitley Co. the restaurants along the interestate got into having musicians play for the tourist crowds that came through on their way south. I played in a lot of those and that was always fun. Usually the paycheck came in the form of free coffee and salad bar. Once I played in a steak house (the only one for miles around...lol...back when steak houses were a new thing) built by the state representative...they served ribeye only and got them from a local farmer...had a limited menu of a lot of local stuff cooked by local people...real charcoal grill...no gas or electric...so it was really good stuff and quickly got a reputation among travelers along 75. I played there and got free prime rib (left over from the previous night) and salad bar, plus apple cobbler and coffee as my pay. Also took tips. That was the best music job I ever had...kept it about a year or a little longer and then got a job in the library at the college and couldn't keep up with the music job any more.

But anyway...those types jobs are the most fun for me...no emphasis on "performer, performance," all that rock and roll stuff...lol...just play and get into the music. If anybody catches it, great...otherwise, it's a nice background for people eating and talking.

After moving up here...moved up here for another college library job...met the university archivist right off the bat because somehow he heard I was into ballads back in those days...he got me a bunch of hostil...I don't even know how you spell it...pronounced like hostile...lol...that ain't the right word thoough...but I never understood where the audience came from ... mainly some groups who were touring and focused on one thing or another. So for each one I had to stand up on stage (blah...but the audiences were very small and it was easy to get personal with them, get them laughing, etc. and become "friends" off the bat) and do like all river songs, all horse songs, railroad songs, murder ballads or whatever their theme was. Actually got paid for those gigs. They were fun. The Archivist left and that ended immediately for me. Lasted maybe four years and then no gigs since...I mean, maybe once every 5 years or something...never much fun, just nerve-wracking.

But my point, which always takes me along time to get to...sorry...is that playing to an audience is challenging if you are really just into your music moreso than being a stage curiosity.

TuneWeaver - Posted - 08/07/2020:  06:03:14


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Originally posted by ChickenMan

Lee, it reminds me of how I used to get playing at our Fiddlers Association meetings and for the same reasons - playing for your peers. At 70, I would have thought you were over that. Are you having a mid(ish) life crisis? laugh



Did you buy a sports car that we don't know about?



I kid because we are friends. Henry hit it on the head - ego (we all have one) can get in our way. This is why our best playing is when we lose our "self" in the playing.






It is a brand spankin' new Red Ferrari, Billy... and BTW yesterday, August  6th, was my 75th birthday.. Know what happened on August 6th, 1945?  They dropped the BOMB on that day... I say "I came in with a bomb and don't want to go out with one.!!"...laugh  It is true that getting lost in the music is when I sound best, and that is why I like a good jam!!.

ChinnRest - Posted - 08/07/2020:  07:30:14


I have red light fever bad!!! I also have Jam/Stage fright bad.



Most recent jam I was at, I was taking a break and just fell to pieces. Song I've played thousands of times at home (on mando, and was playing mando).



Crazy thing is that at work, I'm a trainer. I get in front of groups of 30-40 professionals, engineers, etc. I train in front of them with supreme confidence. I control the room, never a worry. As a kid, I played musically in front of groups of hundreds and did the same. No fear. Cameras rolling (old big chunky VHS) and hundreds of parents and kids in the audience.



Now I'm an adult and I fall apart.... sheesh.


Edited by - ChinnRest on 08/07/2020 07:30:26

TuneWeaver - Posted - 08/07/2020:  07:56:53


quote:

Originally posted by ChinnRest

I have red light fever bad!!! I also have Jam/Stage fright bad.



Most recent jam I was at, I was taking a break and just fell to pieces. Song I've played thousands of times at home (on mando, and was playing mando).



Crazy thing is that at work, I'm a trainer. I get in front of groups of 30-40 professionals, engineers, etc. I train in front of them with supreme confidence. I control the room, never a worry. As a kid, I played musically in front of groups of hundreds and did the same. No fear. Cameras rolling (old big chunky VHS) and hundreds of parents and kids in the audience.



Now I'm an adult and I fall apart.... sheesh.






There is No justice!!!!laugh



 

Flat_the_3rd_n7th - Posted - 08/07/2020:  08:13:44


quote:

Originally posted by ChinnRest

I have red light fever bad!!! I also have Jam/Stage fright bad.



Most recent jam I was at, I was taking a break and just fell to pieces. Song I've played thousands of times at home (on mando, and was playing mando).



Crazy thing is that at work, I'm a trainer. I get in front of groups of 30-40 professionals, engineers, etc. I train in front of them with supreme confidence. I control the room, never a worry. As a kid, I played musically in front of groups of hundreds and did the same. No fear. Cameras rolling (old big chunky VHS) and hundreds of parents and kids in the audience.



Now I'm an adult and I fall apart.... sheesh.






I think that's the way it is if one is expecting to play the same way with another instrument.  "Played fine at recitals on piano, so I should be just as good on violin now."  



Assuming the outcome to be as good as your professional instruction briefings.  Which you've probably been doing for a long time.



Look at these violin soloists that play featured pieces in front of the symphony and audience.  Playing at break-neck speeds and then suddenly long-bow dolce where the least bow shake would make the note sound like a fart.  This is all they do since age 4-5, so it's probably weird to them to play otherwise.  But I bet if they were doing a little mando on the side, they would fall apart cause of expecting to play the same proficiency on it.



I do the same thing.  I suppose the answer is just to dumb it down to whatever your muscle memory can flawlessly do, then make that your base, and anything else is gravy.

TuneWeaver - Posted - 08/07/2020:  08:38:30


A Little off topic........At times when I'm listening to music posted by Members, I can't help but to notice that there are often maybe 200 'listens' and maybe just ONE 'like'... I realize that that does NOT mean that 199 people Didn't like what the Member posted.. but jeez... when someone is playing the best they can I think we ( at least ME) could at least acknowledge their playing...I suspect that when someone posts in the SOUND OFF forum, that they are looking for recognition...but it seems that a 'like' can be a rare thing base upon the number of people who have listened..



If appreciation for what someone plays is rare, then bewbies will hesitate  to post at all.. 


Edited by - TuneWeaver on 08/07/2020 08:52:37

Hoodoo - Posted - 08/07/2020:  08:56:23


quote:

Originally posted by TuneWeaver

Playing here for the Hangout members is not like playing for non fiddlers... Here, people are more likely to have an expectations that a non fiddler wouldn't have. I've heard it said, and there seems to be some truth to it, that musicians play for Each Other differently than they play for other audiences...As for me, I have a higher expectation of myself when playing for the Hangout..






What? You mean that other people voluntarily listen to you play? This is, by the way, at jab at myself, not at you.

TuneWeaver - Posted - 08/07/2020:  08:58:13


quote:

Originally posted by Hoodoo

quote:

Originally posted by TuneWeaver

Playing here for the Hangout members is not like playing for non fiddlers... Here, people are more likely to have an expectations that a non fiddler wouldn't have. I've heard it said, and there seems to be some truth to it, that musicians play for Each Other differently than they play for other audiences...As for me, I have a higher expectation of myself when playing for the Hangout..






What? You mean that other people voluntarily listen to you play? This is, by the way, at jab at myself, not at you.






Nah.. I usually have to PAY people to listen to me..!!wink

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