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 ARCHIVED TOPIC: How are your Covid jams coming along?


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TuneWeaver - Posted - 07/26/2020:  15:15:44


Are you having jams at all? Isolation? Zoom?
Locally we are having outdoor jams with just 4-5 people..
Jokingly we said that if we put up a canopy and hang a blue tarp on the sun side, it'd look like an OT festival was being held and people would be less afraid to attend..
What are YOU doing?

doryman - Posted - 07/26/2020:  16:31:31


Like you, we've had a few outdoor jams with 4 to 5 people, staying further apart than we normally are. It makes for a circle that is a bit too big (hard for these aging ears to hear everyone, especially the guitar player), but it's better than nothing.

tonyelder - Posted - 07/26/2020:  16:33:56


...no jams at all since late March...

Loup - Posted - 07/26/2020:  16:34:46


I'm jamming with a mate of mine who lives about an hour away from me,and we are using Skype.It's working quite well,now wer'e thinking of including another guy,so it will be a three way act.Hope that you are not missing out.Good luck and middle finger up at Covid-19.lol

TuneWeaver - Posted - 07/26/2020:  16:35:36


quote:

Originally posted by tonyelder

...no jams at all since late March...






Bummer!!

TuneWeaver - Posted - 07/26/2020:  16:36:12


quote:

Originally posted by Loup

I'm jamming with a mate of mine who lives about an hour away from me,and we are using Skype.It's working quite well,now wer'e thinking of including another guy,so it will be a three way act.Hope that you are not missing out.Good luck and middle finger up at Covid-19.lol






EXACTLY..



 

farmerjones - Posted - 07/26/2020:  16:45:44


4-5 folks outside, "social distanced."
There's a monthly and a weekly.
The monthly was yesterday. First time with the bass!
Got several positive responces, but the jam is so small a bass doesn't really add.

Flat_the_3rd_n7th - Posted - 07/26/2020:  18:55:27


Weekly bluegrass/country rehearsal with the dudes--the "Something Like That Band"--you may have heard of us.  laugh  Just nowhere for us amateurs to play a gig.



Sat. OT free-for-all at the train station site has been ghost town since April.  The passenger excursion train that used to stop there would even get "robbed" and have "gun fights" with the law.  Farmer's Market, everything.  Now the freights just highball through.  I'm thinking of going down there, getting a bench and playing solo while the wife knits.  So, that brings me to a question for you buskers--??????



What do you think about using a foot pedal cymbal to back yourself on waltzes (where the beat doesn't come through strong on fiddle alone), or even on cut-time breakdowns?  Foot naturally wants to pat on the off beat.  Might be just weird enough to break the ice and get musicians to come back. 


Edited by - Flat_the_3rd_n7th on 07/26/2020 19:08:03

farmerjones - Posted - 07/26/2020:  19:47:51


quote:

Originally posted by Flat_the_3rd_n7th

What do you think about using a foot pedal cymbal to back yourself on waltzes (where the beat doesn't come through strong on fiddle alone), or even on cut-time breakdowns?  Foot naturally wants to pat on the off beat.  Might be just weird enough to break the ice and get musicians to come back. 






I've heard of a kick pedal agin a pasteboard box.  



I've not busked with it, but i use a looper pedal to lay down eight bars with a guitar, then play along to that. (got a few YT vids doing this)

alaskafiddler - Posted - 07/26/2020:  21:13:58


Similar to others, been able to manage a couple live get together a week... outside, most time sitting around a fire pit. Usually 3 of us but some just 2... at most 5. 



Been also doing some tele-music like Jamkazam (been using Soundjack or Jamulus), with a limited few other folks... getting to work reasonably well. Because of hardware/internet and other techy stuff (more than just latency issues)... that's limited who can really participate.




quote:

Originally posted by Loup

I'm jamming with a mate of mine who lives about an hour away from me,and we are using Skype.It's working quite well,now wer'e thinking of including another guy,so it will be a three way act.






Heads up, adding a third person (or more) is when it can start to get a bit tricky, depending on how you set up server/client. There are some tricks that can help. IMO, maybe might want to try other software than Skype or Zoom, as they were not really designed for low latency (though Zoom does have hidden settings that can help).




 


Edited by - alaskafiddler on 07/26/2020 21:16:48

Lonesome Fiddler - Posted - 07/27/2020:  00:11:36


I'd love to have a jam but I've yet to link up with sympatico musicians.

carlb - Posted - 07/27/2020:  04:31:18


2-5 musicians outdoors, evenings starting at 8pm, weekly since June 11, Mother Nature has been very kind.


Edited by - carlb on 07/27/2020 04:31:50

Fiddler - Posted - 07/27/2020:  07:50:07


We've had three outdoor jams at Dallas Heritage Village this past 6 weeks, including masks and social distancing. We met from 10-noonish or until we got hot. Had 6 or 7 folks come, but size is limited to 10 by state and local directives, including recommendations of limiting travel and gatherings only to those absolutely necessary. (We not promoting the jams now.) With COVID raging in Dallas County right now, future jams may end for a bit.

groundhogpeggy - Posted - 07/27/2020:  09:34:01


This is the first year I haven't had any jams to go to because of covid.

All the previous years I just didn't have any jams to go to, just because.

Lol...that's my joke for today...not ready to quit the day job, hey?

TuneWeaver - Posted - 07/27/2020:  09:40:53


quote:

Originally posted by groundhogpeggy

This is the first year I haven't had any jams to go to because of covid.



All the previous years I just didn't have any jams to go to, just because.



Lol...that's my joke for today...not ready to quit the day job, hey?






Sounds like your days are JAM packed!!!

DougD - Posted - 07/27/2020:  10:04:12


Kirk, take care of yourself and stay safe.

Fiddler - Posted - 07/27/2020:  13:56:20


quote:

Originally posted by DougD

Kirk, take care of yourself and stay safe.






Thanks, Doug! That is my intention. My current excursions out of the house are limited to every 10-14 days for groceries with the occasional trip to drug store or doctor.  We leave the house only when absolutely necessary!



Going to the past three jams has been a relatively low risk treat, but right now, I'm just not sure since COVID cases are on the increase.  



The Dallas Historical Village likes us being there because we are an activity that guests can enjoy while enjoying the grounds. Since we don't sing (and there IS a reason for this!!) , the masks are not a hinderance.

TuneWeaver - Posted - 07/27/2020:  14:06:16


quote:

Originally posted by Fiddler

quote:

Originally posted by DougD

Kirk, take care of yourself and stay safe.






Thanks, Doug! That is my intention. My current excursions out of the house are limited to every 10-14 days for groceries with the occasional trip to drug store or doctor.  We leave the house only when absolutely necessary!



Going to the past three jams has been a relatively low risk treat, but right now, I'm just not sure since COVID cases are on the increase.  



The Dallas Historical Village likes us being there because we are an activity that guests can enjoy while enjoying the grounds. Since we don't sing (and there IS a reason for this!!) , the masks are not a hinderance.






Funny about the singing.. Same here.. My problem is that sometimes someone will drop their mask to take a drink...of 'something'.. and forget? to put it back up.. THat bothers me.. I've complained about mask wearing enough that people are getting the message.. but some people just don't get the physics of it.. If a fan in on IN a room, that fan just distributes virus if it is around.. I will only jam outside.. 

Fiddler - Posted - 07/27/2020:  14:58:03


For those who like technical stuff.  Here's the link to the Colorado State University study related to aerosol distribution in singing, band/orchestra and theater. Some interesting imaging.



If you think singers are bad, give those trombone players about double the room. Their flailing arm causes aerosols to spread even further! They also show some designs for bags/masks for wind instruments. Can you imagine playing a sax or clarinet or flute with this on? FWIW - they have a name - Gesundheit Bags



This report is preliminary, so the considerations given at the end, should be taken cautiously. They may change as further testing and analysis is done, but it looks like this might be a good start.



google.com/url?q=https://www.nfhs.org/media/4029952/preliminary-testing-report-7-13-20.pdf?fbclid%3DIwAR1QMaQpjx04RQxeExcHekDjDiP82iE4xtDXDk2xN5RDBqAA-iHuaGtNDQA&source=gmail&ust=1595945367994000&usg=AFQjCNEL4eBXN5c5E2LNB7prplUDpPfPtQ" href="https://www.nfhs.org/media/4029952/preliminary-testing-report-7-13-20.pdf?fbclid=IwAR1QMaQpjx04RQxeExcHekDjDiP82iE4xtDXDk2xN5RDBqAA-iHuaGtNDQA" target="_blank">https://www.nfhs.org/media/4029952/preliminary-testing-report-7-13-20.pdf?fbclid=IwAR1QMaQpjx04RQxeExcHekDjDiP82iE4xtDXDk2xN5RDBqAA-iHuaGtNDQA  



Additionally, some of my colleagues who specialize in industrial hygiene, HVAC and ventilation systems point out that operators of HVAC systems typically don't know what they are doing and do not have the systems balanced properly.  (Most HVAC systems pull in outside air to replace the indoor air that is sucked out.) The result is recirculation of indoor air and any aerosols that might be present. (Oh, great!)  



Additionally, since the aerosols linger in the air, don't depend on  room turnover rate to rid the area of potential virus particles - even if the HVAC system is properly balanced. It takes longer than you think! (or than what is calculated) Your friendly IH/HVAC professional will need to get involved.



Again, the implications are broad. As much as I miss going to Church  and going to a pub and going to a movie, I will stay home and attend Church virtually, keep beer chilled in the fridge and make use of my Netflix subscription.



So, Lee, you are absolutely on the mark. One infected person in a room indoors c an potentially contaminate everyone. Avoid indoor spaces with lots of people. (The 6ft social distancing rule DOES NOT APPLY indoors!) Wear your mask. Wash your hands. Don't touch your face.

alaskafiddler - Posted - 07/27/2020:  16:22:35


Outdoor jams are great. I have not been particularly worried about outdoors, at 6 feet or so; (usually around fire pit). And with the folks I play with, I know their lifestyle is low risk, high diligence. Have been doing less  singing.



Of course things change; Alaska has had extremely low rate for since began... but has been going up rapidly. (still comparatively low). I think this fall is going to be tougher for us to continue.



 


Edited by - alaskafiddler on 07/27/2020 16:23:52

flyingfrog - Posted - 08/30/2020:  15:58:24


I'd like to let y'all know (Irish fiddlers in particular) that I've been leading a "virtual" Play Along Irish Trad slow session, live streaming on my personal Facebook page most every Monday starting at 6pm ET (facebook.com/tmorley) since the middle of March, when everything fell apart because of you-know-what. This Monday, Aug. 31st, I'll be back to lead my twenty-second session! I have regular followers from coast to coast who tune in, grab their instruments, and play along with the jigs, reels, hornpipes & polkas as I play them in a "slow session" style, slower the first time through and then more up to tempo in subsequent go-arounds. As a fiddler & fiddle teacher who's been leading Irish Trad sessions & slow sessions for many years, I'll be the first to admit that it doesn't replace the joy of playing live with folks. But it's better than having no opportunity at all I reckon! The fiddlers who've been joining in regularly seem to think so at least. Please feel free to find me on Facebook tomorrow (or most any Monday) around 6pm and hey, give it a try.



 

ChickenMan - Posted - 08/30/2020:  17:58:28


Lee, you mentioned not using a fan because of blowing the virus around (good thought btw) but you can put a fan in the window sucking the air out of the room.

sbhikes2 - Posted - 08/30/2020:  20:03:54


Outdoor jams and porch jams for me. Sometimes the outdoor jam in the park gets really big. We're only supposed to have 10 people but I think there were more like 15-20 the other night. A small group of us formed a second group of 4 or 5. A couple weeks ago the jam in the park wasn't that big but there was a large group of families with unmasked infants and children breathing all over us. I got the hell out of there.

TuneWeaver - Posted - 08/31/2020:  04:58:30


quote:

Originally posted by ChickenMan

Lee, you mentioned not using a fan because of blowing the virus around (good thought btw) but you can put a fan in the window sucking the air out of the room.






Good Idea, but there are still variables.. A I begin to trust the isolation habits of my friends, I may change my opinion..   It is suspected that airflow is good unless one is sitting Downwind from an infected person... so we'll jam outdoors as long as it is possible this fall. Come December I'll look for jam opportunities in Florida!!!wink

pmiller510 - Posted - 08/31/2020:  05:39:21


Been having a regular jam in Southern Michigan at the T.K. Lawless county park. Every Wednesday 4 - 5:30 outside under an open pavilion shelter. We all wear masks (except a harmonica player and a tin whistle player) and follow social distancing guidelines. Primarily old-time with some Irish tunes mixed in (tho, in my opinion, the Irish sounds pretty old-time). Number of musicians has been anywhere from 4 to 10. There are often a few other folks that stop by to listen and sit a fair distance away. The session is trying to figure out what we might do as the weather gets colder and are not quite sure if there are indoor spaces that are large enough and well ventilated enough where we would feel safe.

Also, have heard of another jam up in Kalamazoo, but that is in someone's back yard and it has strict limits on number of people. You need to sign up for that one to make sure there's room. I have not tried to attend that one, but have heard it is working OK.

It was good to have the T.K. Lawless jam start up in July as no one was getting together to play since the lockdown started this last Spring.

TuneWeaver - Posted - 08/31/2020:  06:03:11


quote:

Originally posted by pmiller510

Been having a regular jam in Southern Michigan at the T.K. Lawless county park. Every Wednesday 4 - 5:30 outside under an open pavilion shelter. We all wear masks (except a harmonica player and a tin whistle player) and follow social distancing guidelines. Primarily old-time with some Irish tunes mixed in (tho, in my opinion, the Irish sounds pretty old-time). Number of musicians has been anywhere from 4 to 10. There are often a few other folks that stop by to listen and sit a fair distance away. The session is trying to figure out what we might do as the weather gets colder and are not quite sure if there are indoor spaces that are large enough and well ventilated enough where we would feel safe.



Also, have heard of another jam up in Kalamazoo, but that is in someone's back yard and it has strict limits on number of people. You need to sign up for that one to make sure there's room. I have not tried to attend that one, but have heard it is working OK.



It was good to have the T.K. Lawless jam start up in July as no one was getting together to play since the lockdown started this last Spring.






Pete, I see that you have "private messages'' Disabled so I can't ask this  'privately', but are you familiar with Steve Braden? the banjo player?  ..Goshen isn't all that far from BLomington.. Maybe when this is all safe again we can get together..

ChickenMan - Posted - 08/31/2020:  07:33:45


Sit semicircle around the window facing it.

TuneWeaver - Posted - 08/31/2020:  10:37:23


quote:

Originally posted by ChickenMan

Sit semicircle around the window facing it.






I'll run two garden hoses to the outside,, inhale through one and exhale through the other.. Problem solved..



 

bsed - Posted - 08/31/2020:  10:50:28


I've started playing with one guitar player out here. Having more people would be fun, but I'm pretty happy with this one guy. Small jams are great!

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