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mmuussiiccaall - Posted - 06/22/2020:  09:31:12


What are you thinking about when you are

improvising over a three chord song?

I myself think in terms pluging in these ten intervals of the scale

1 2 b3 3 4 b5 5 6 b7 7 



For example here's a simple scenerio:

if I just think about staying in a narrow set of pitches

like focusing on the 1 (the key note)

I know I can stay on that note during the I and IV chords

but when the V chord comes I need to move up a whole step to the 2

or down a half step to the 7



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I guess the opposite of this method is hunt and peck



I would like to hear about what's in your head



 


Edited by - mmuussiiccaall on 06/22/2020 09:32:00

Brian Wood - Posted - 06/22/2020:  11:13:44


I very rarely think of a number or note name or interval. I'm used to where notes are on the scale and I have a bag of riffs from tunes and other players to use and alter. I mostly think musically what I want to hear.

Lonesome Fiddler - Posted - 06/22/2020:  12:51:31


When improvising over three chord tunes I start off thinking of blues licks. If the tune doesn't have a bluesy flavor I'll substitute the blues scale's minor thirds with major thirds, and substitute the blues scale's minor sevenths with major sevenths. And of course, I'll intone my tired cliches in duple meter, not triple meter.

mmuussiiccaall - Posted - 06/22/2020:  14:00:43


quote:

Originally posted by Brian Wood

I very rarely think of a number or note name or interval. I'm used to where notes are on the scale and I have a bag of riffs from tunes and other players to use and alter. I mostly think musically what I want to hear.






Yeah all that rolls around in my head and I hear the interval that the lick starts on so it comes out in the right key.

mmuussiiccaall - Posted - 06/22/2020:  14:04:32


quote:

Originally posted by Lonesome Fiddler

When improvising over three chord tunes I start off thinking of blues licks. If the tune doesn't have a bluesy flavor I'll substitute the blues scale's minor thirds with major thirds, and substitute the blues scale's minor sevenths with major sevenths. And of course, I'll intone my tired cliches in duple meter, not triple meter.






Yeah Ed in my mind I call that making it "VANILLA".

alaskafiddler - Posted - 06/22/2020:  15:08:12


Hard to describe but mostly I just approach it in terms of various aspects of music... melody, rhythm, phrasing, lyricalness, push/pull. leading notes, harmonic feel, tension/release, resolve. These are not constricted to chord notes, nor scale formulas.



I mostly don't "think" as in abstract calculate... it's mostly just imagining the sound possibilities; it's mostly from concrete experience of sound... perhaps more akin to a scat singer.


Edited by - alaskafiddler on 06/22/2020 15:13:01

farmerjones - Posted - 06/22/2020:  16:23:35


First i find the key. Then i stay pretty close to the melody. I don't analyze it. It's much the same as one speaks or sings. I do have a lick library, it it's not anything special. I just use licks in the gaps anyway.

farmerjones - Posted - 06/22/2020:  18:48:30


What am i thinking? "This sounds pretty much like ________-______-______."



I learned to not saying anything about this. Most people are trying to keep tunes and songs seperate rather than to find the commonality. That's their choice. 


Edited by - farmerjones on 06/22/2020 18:56:59

groundhogpeggy - Posted - 06/22/2020:  18:58:50


I think of how I would be singing it, and try to make my fiddle sing like I would.

carlb - Posted - 06/23/2020:  04:16:34


I'm never quite sure what I'm going to come up with, but I always try to know where I am in the tune, for the sake of myself and the others I'm playing with.

UsuallyPickin - Posted - 06/23/2020:  06:16:14


Melody, chord changes , pentatonic scale tones and sliding and doublestops for "puncuation". R/

RobBob - Posted - 06/23/2020:  06:21:14


Y'all think faster than me. I just hang on for the ride, think in licks if anything. For a while I was lucky enough to have Reed Martin playing banjo and he'd keep me grounded by playing the melody while I wandered off into space. Sure miss those days!

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