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 ARCHIVED TOPIC: Are you in control rhythmically...i'm not....yet...


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pete_fiddle - Posted - 06/03/2020:  14:11:46


So with all my syncamapation, swing, triplets, turnarounds and emphasizing the off beat...etc, i thought i would just play straight, single strings, and emphasize the 1st beat of the bar, with one or two of my  well known swingin, syncopated, triplety, turnaroundy  party pieces.....This proved to be a little more difficult than i imagined......



But after a while i got it. Then i let some of the aforementioned stuff ease it's way in. And for a while i think i was playing what i considered to be "Proper Fiddle Music". With a good strident beat and some of the other stuff popping up as well. Don't know what this says about my playing, but i think i'm going to pay more attention to the 1 beat, and try to be more in control of my rhythmic vagaries in future...



Anyone else had this epiphany?



 

Swing - Posted - 06/03/2020:  16:26:17


Yep!!! But the thing that I will add, have been told this by a fiddle who I feel is very good... always start the next phrase/bar on a down bow...after that the incidental that you mention fall in place. I have been practicing this for a few months and it has really helped.

Play Happy

Swing

bandsmcnamar - Posted - 06/03/2020:  17:33:28


12 years in, and I can completely or close to that stay in time when I have a strong guitar player close by, but on my own, all sorts of little timing weird things creep in. It helps to play with a metronome, and practice practice practice! The absolute hardest thing for me is holding the long notes for the proper amount of time, I always want to shorten them and get to,playing fast notes again. lol

RinconMtnErnie - Posted - 06/03/2020:  23:19:29


I am a notey player, and some times that messes up my rhythm. Focusing on rhythm does make a difference when I decide to do it. One thing that helps me is focusing on up-bows at the end of phrases, to set up for a strong down bow on the beat. It doesn't matter if it's a slur or a single-bow. As long as it's headed up I'm set to come down right on the beat. 

 

pete_fiddle - Posted - 06/04/2020:  00:34:10


quote:

Originally posted by RinconMtnErnie

I am a notey player, and some times that messes up my rhythm. Focusing on rhythm does make a difference when I decide to do it. One thing that helps me is focusing on up-bows at the end of phrases, to set up for a strong down bow on the beat. It doesn't matter if it's a slur or a single-bow. As long as it's headed up I'm set to come down right on the beat. 

 






I think i see what you mean about preempting the 1st beat with an up bow. i have been experimenting with "Anacrusis" to do the same. Then it doesn't seem to matter if the emphasis happens with an up bow, or a down bow.

carlb - Posted - 06/04/2020:  05:43:08


I'm a phrase player, i.e. like I was singing lines of a song. The rhythms often change slightly from phrase to phrase, but I find that neat. The really good flat foot dancers often dance that way and follow the rhythms of the particular tune. Just keep the pace going at the same speed.

sbhikes2 - Posted - 06/08/2020:  16:00:06


I'm not in control anywhichway

groundhogpeggy - Posted - 06/10/2020:  15:03:21


What Diane said...lol.

Lonesome Fiddler - Posted - 06/10/2020:  16:21:45


I spend a lot of time playing against(!) a metronome and to recordings. It's gotten me pretty good at keeping time, but when the fiddling gets a bit too complicated or the rhythm gets slow, it's Gone With the Wind.

pete_fiddle - Posted - 06/11/2020:  00:08:51


Been learning a few Triple Hornpipes (3/2 time in flat keys....Its an English thing...), found out that if i didn't know where the 1 beat was at all times things go pear shaped. Those things where written to confuse players, dancers and listeners alike, i'm sure. Especially folk used to common time. Me for instance.

Got a hold on it now though, even getting some off beat stuff happening, just goto know exactly where the 1 beat is, always.

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