TuneWeaver - Posted - 05/14/2019:  05:06:57

The other day at a jam, after having played the tune "Shove That Pig's  Foot a Little Further in the Fire",  I had the opportunity to tell some beginners that a pig's foot was probably a Blacksmith tool and Not just a part of a pig...Then it occurred to me that I'd never actually seen a tool by that name so I Googled , 'blacksmith's pig's foot/images'..The results were inconclusive. Recently Dan Levenson on the Banjo Hangout posted a photo of a tool called a pigs foot, used in the railroad industry.. but it is not a blacksmithing tool. So the mystery goes on..

Hangout member Tom Glos, UK resident, in 2014 posed the question about the possible origin of the tune name ...to a group of Blacksmiths on the "I Forge Iron" forum...the replies make good reading.  See if you think you really know what a pig's foot is after reading their comments....Here is a link to the thread: 

iforgeiron.com/topic/38812-sho...the-fire/

I'll offer my own conclusions after some of you have had a chance to read the link's thread..

It is all fun:    It is debatable:   I'm no expert:......

Edited by - TuneWeaver on 05/14/2019 05:17:02

Fiddler - Posted - 05/14/2019:  07:37:48

Interesting! 

What I find fascinating in tune names is learning something about history of the times and places. I have often pondered about putting together a history program based on tunes (titles) and lyrics. What were the events or conditions that caused the song to be written? I know that tune titles are often just a comment on the times (or a person) and a way to identify a tune.  

TuneWeaver - Posted - 05/14/2019:  07:41:13

Which reminds me, Fiddler.. .I have a friend who 'collects' oddly named tunes and my favorite is "Maggots In The Sheep Hide"....!!The next time I write a tune I plan on calling it "Who Shot Sally"..

DougD - Posted - 05/14/2019:  09:43:35

This has been discussed here many times and I thought that piece of "urban myth" had been laid to rest, but I guess not. You can read the story behind the tune's title here: oldtimeparty.wordpress.com/201...the-fire/

ChickenMan - Posted - 05/14/2019:  09:53:21

For some reason I could not access your link, Lee. 

I'd prefer to see some footnotes or references in an article written as such an authority, but that makes more sense than the tool. Besides, who'd put thier tools in a fire?

Edited by - ChickenMan on 05/14/2019 09:58:33

DougD - Posted - 05/14/2019:  10:14:44

"Besides, who'd put their tools in a fire?" Bingo, but it doesn't really hurt imaginary tools.
The title "Push the hog's feet under the bed" is listed in the index of Thomas Talley's 1922 book "Negro Folk Rhymes," but there's no page number and I can't find the story, even though I remember reading it previously.
BTW, try pounding on a piece of pig iron sometime - that's not a material even used by blacksmiths.

ChickenMan - Posted - 05/14/2019:  12:25:56

I just perused that collection and though it is in the index, I did not see it listed anywhere. I wonder if it is in the 'study' section. I'll have time to read that later, but a search of 'Push' 'hog's' only resulted in the index page.

TuneWeaver - Posted - 05/14/2019:  12:46:28

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For some reason I could not access your link, Lee. 

I'd prefer to see some footnotes or references in an article written as such an authority, but that makes more sense than the tool. Besides, who'd put thier tools in a fire?

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It opens for me without problem.. you may have to reboot???

TuneWeaver - Posted - 05/14/2019:  12:49:23

Great Info, Doug, and Yes, urban myths are hard to put to rest..Not sure which of the two stories I like best... I DID find that there is a French anvil called a PIG....Who knows.. Now I'll to go back to telling people that I may have been wrong...again, as usual..maybe.. I did email a blacksmith tool company and asked them if there is a tool called a pig's foot.. not reply yet.. and Yes on the link one of the blacksmiths said that he had been a blacksmith for 33 years and never heard of such a tool.   

All fun, debatable, I'm no expert!!! That's my motto....

Edited by - TuneWeaver on 05/14/2019 12:50:44

TuneWeaver - Posted - 05/14/2019:  13:11:16

Doug.. I revisited the link you posted... It sounds authoritative but..leaves one space for speculation.. I guess that is why it is all an urban myth!!!

echord - Posted - 05/15/2019:  11:46:29

It strikes me that some of the stories about this tune's title may be a bit strained, especially the slave story. While they make good reading, I suppose, I'm more inclined to think the title was probably just a common phrase uttered by some fiddler as he or his wife were roasting pig's feet over a fire, and like many tune titles, recalled later to name an unnamed tune. Pig's feet are a common Southern dish after all and roasting was a convenient way to cook them. Seems likely to me anyway.

Whatever -- it's a great old tune and the group recording in the link in the original post above is great fun. Thanks for that.

TuneWeaver - Posted - 05/15/2019:  12:10:20

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It strikes me that some of the stories about this tune's title may be a bit strained, especially the slave story. While they make good reading, I suppose, I'm more inclined to think the title was probably just a common phrase uttered by some fiddler as he or his wife were roasting pig's feet over a fire, and like many tune titles, recalled later to name an unnamed tune. Pig's feet are a common Southern dish after all and roasting was a convenient way to cook them. Seems likely to me anyway.



Whatever -- it's a great old tune and the group recording in the link in the original post above is great fun. Thanks for that.

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Generally, I'm with you but Doug's link is old enough that there may be some truth to it.. We'll never know.. I haven't heard back from the Blacksmith Tool company that I emailed asking if there was such a tool as a pig's foot...

A few years ago I wrote a tune that I named, 'The Invisible Man."  It is popular with some of my friends and they  naturally assumed that the name has something to do with Jesus, because I also wrote a tune called, "Jesus Played the Fiddle."..... However, I wrote The Invisible Man at a time when I, myself, felt Invisible to my wife and children..(over that now).... Anyway,  2+2 doesn't always equal 4 when it comes to fiddle tune names...As for the Pig's foot, the other night when I told the beginners that a pig's foot was a tool and had nothing to do with BarBQue.. there was an audible sigh of disbelief.. I have since Apologized for my lack of knowledge....

ChickenMan - Posted - 05/15/2019:  12:46:07

I would counter that that book Doug referenced is filled with rhymes that are titled with the names of fiddle tunes. I was amazed at the number of titles that were fiddle tunes or variants of fiddle tunes ex: "Walk, Talk, Chicken with your Head Pecked" a variant of "Walk Chalk Chicken with your Head Cut Off." It refers to a cock fight winner. Unfortunately I could not find the hog's foot reference in the general rhymes in the book and haven't had time to read the 'academic' portions where it may be referenced.
More tune titles listed in that book
Old Molly Hair
Jaybird Died of the Whooping Cough
Jawbone
Jaybird
Grasshopper Sitting on a Sweet Potato Vine
Hawk and Chickens
'Possum up the Gum Stump
Sugar in the Coffee-o
Cotton Eyed Joe
Pateroller
Old Hen Cackled
Rattler
Sail Away Ladies
Sheep Shell Corn by the Rattlin' of its Horns
Run (Enword) Run
Year of Jubilee
Old Aunt Kate
Jump Jim Crow

There are a bunch of potential tune names too:
Crooked Nose Jane
Bridle up a Rat
Grey and Black Horses
Why the Woodpecker's Head is Red
Chicken Pie (maybe that is a tune already)
Die in the Pigpen Fighting
Shake the Persimmons Down
Mudlog Pond
Miss Terrapin and Miss Toad
Peep Squirrel
Ham Beats all Meat

TuneWeaver - Posted - 05/15/2019:  12:55:48

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Originally posted by ChickenMan

I would counter that that book Doug referenced is filled with rhymes that are titled with the names of fiddle tunes. I was amazed at the number of titles that were fiddle tunes or variants of fiddle tunes ex: "Walk, Talk, Chicken with your Head Pecked" a variant of "Walk Chalk Chicken with your Head Cut Off." It refers to a cock fight winner. Unfortunately I could not find the hog's foot reference in the general rhymes in the book and haven't had time to read the 'academic' portions where it may be referenced.

More tune titles listed in that book

Old Molly Hair

Jaybird Died of the Whooping Cough

Jawbone

Jaybird

Grasshopper Sitting on a Sweet Potato Vine

Hawk and Chickens

'Possum up the Gum Stump

Sugar in the Coffee-o

Cotton Eyed Joe

Pateroller

Old Hen Cackled

Rattler

Sail Away Ladies

Sheep Shell Corn by the Rattlin' of its Horns

Run (Enword) Run

Year of Jubilee

Old Aunt Kate

Jump Jim Crow



There are a bunch of potential tune names too:

Crooked Nose Jane

Bridle up a Rat

Grey and Black Horses

Why the Woodpecker's Head is Red

Chicken Pie (maybe that is a tune already)

Die in the Pigpen Fighting

Shake the Persimmons Down

Mudlog Pond

Miss Terrapin and Miss Toad

Peep Squirrel

Ham Beats all Meat

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To ME, Walk Chalk Chicken has nothing to do with cock fighting, but rather the strutting of slaves mimicking prancing visitors to a plantation.. Competitions were held and they had to walk a chalk line and maybe win a cake..( I did a LOT of research on that one..) However, I could still be wrong.. Remember: It is for fun, it is debatable and I'm no expert..!!

TuneWeaver - Posted - 05/15/2019:  13:19:31

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Originally posted by ChickenMan

I would counter that that book Doug referenced is filled with rhymes that are titled with the names of fiddle tunes. I was amazed at the number of titles that were fiddle tunes or variants of fiddle tunes ex: "Walk, Talk, Chicken with your Head Pecked" a variant of "Walk Chalk Chicken with your Head Cut Off." It refers to a cock fight winner. Unfortunately I could not find the hog's foot reference in the general rhymes in the book and haven't had time to read the 'academic' portions where it may be referenced.

More tune titles listed in that book

Old Molly Hair

Jaybird Died of the Whooping Cough

Jawbone

Jaybird

Grasshopper Sitting on a Sweet Potato Vine

Hawk and Chickens

'Possum up the Gum Stump

Sugar in the Coffee-o

Cotton Eyed Joe

Pateroller

Old Hen Cackled

Rattler

Sail Away Ladies

Sheep Shell Corn by the Rattlin' of its Horns

Run (Enword) Run

Year of Jubilee

Old Aunt Kate

Jump Jim Crow



There are a bunch of potential tune names too:

Crooked Nose Jane

Bridle up a Rat

Grey and Black Horses

Why the Woodpecker's Head is Red

Chicken Pie (maybe that is a tune already)

Die in the Pigpen Fighting

Shake the Persimmons Down

Mudlog Pond

Miss Terrapin and Miss Toad

Peep Squirrel

Ham Beats all Meat

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To ME, Walk Chalk Chicken has nothing to do with cock fighting, but rather the strutting of slaves mimicking prancing visitors to a plantation.. Competitions were held and they had to walk a chalk line and maybe win a cake..( I did a LOT of research on that one..) However, I could still be wrong.. Remember: It is for fun, it is debatable and I'm no expert..!!

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Suffice it to say that I've contacted a SECOND Blacksmith Tool company and have asked them if there is such a tool as a Pig's Foot.. At this point I suspect not...(BTW, Billy, did you ever get a copy of that book, Why Did The Chicken Cross The World?  fascinating reading..)..

Edited by - TuneWeaver on 05/15/2019 13:19:49

Earworm - Posted - 05/15/2019:  15:32:25

There is no need to take that fok tale as history - folk tales are tales. The character of the clever trickster appears in many folk tales around the world, emphasizing the power of an ordinary person to overcome and outsmart a master, authority, or predator. In particular, the trickster Anansi the Spider, that originates in Africa, may be applicable here. This is simply a Wikipedia entry, about Anansi, but there are many folktales utilizing this well-known character. It seems that the fiddler in this story takes on that role.

DougD - Posted - 05/15/2019:  15:50:05

I thought the same thing. That tale was collected at some point, and the story could fit with the lyrics from Mike Seeger (unfortunately too late to ask him where thry came from) quoted at the Fiddler's Companion. Whether or not it has to do with this tune - who knows? But its plausible
On the other hand, the "blacksmith's tool" story makes no sense at all. It may have been invented by a nattering vegan at Clifftop who was horrified that they were playing a tune about pig meat.
Also, a collector who visited Marcus Martin, the source of this tune, said his refrigerator contained only moonshine and soda crackers. No hog meat at all.

TuneWeaver - Posted - 05/15/2019:  17:20:10

Now, you've gone and done it Doug  From now on the story will be that the name of the tune has something to do with vegans at Clifftop...

DougD - Posted - 05/15/2019:  17:31:07

I thought that was well known already, although its just a theory. I didn't make it up.

ChickenMan - Posted - 05/15/2019:  18:11:54

Lee, just to clear things, we sort of cross posted back a couple  and my initial response was to the comment above you. 

The rhyme "Walk, Talk, Chicken..." was absolutely about a cock fight winner, but not about the fight exactly other than to say he beat the blue chicken and his head got bloodied some. It is possible that the "Walk Chalk Chicken...." title was a parody of or a take on the former. Or maybe the other way around. There is much in that book that is listed as a parody of something. I recently did some research on the cake walk and your description sounds exactly like a cake walk, though they were held for a long while after slavery.

The other tale sounds like it was a dig at a certain type of person. 

Edited by - ChickenMan on 05/15/2019 18:19:39

groundhogpeggy - Posted - 05/15/2019:  18:54:43

The word "Pigsfoot" doesn't bother me nearly as much as the word, "Further," which just sounds all wrong to me.

TuneWeaver - Posted - 05/15/2019:  19:15:25

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The word "Pigsfoot" doesn't bother me nearly as much as the word, "Further," which just sounds all wrong to me.

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I let Google do the walking.. Farther refers to distance, while Further is a metaphorical or figurative distance..So,  which word is used could give a totally different meaning!!!!  

groundhogpeggy - Posted - 05/15/2019:  20:18:38

lol. It only gets more complicated, doesn't it?

TomGlos - Posted - 05/16/2019:  02:15:41

Thanks to Lee for posting the link to the question that I asked the smithcraft forum back in 2014. I agree, I enjoyed the replies, but was no more certain about the name.

Just a personal story arising from the tune name. We've played it in the Oxford Fiddle Group for years and wondered about the name. When my partner and I got married eighteen months ago our friends in the group wanted to give us a present. Inspired by the tune name they gave us a day's "experience" at a forge that runs courses in a beautiful location among the hills of the English Welsh border. Great fun with fire, anvil and hammers etc. I made a poker (to be shoved further in the fire) under instruction, then made another on my own, and my wife made a beautiful steel dragonfly.
Tom

TuneWeaver - Posted - 05/16/2019:  04:58:13

Great story Tom...!!!

TuneWeaver - Posted - 05/16/2019:  07:14:48

I received a reply from the company that sells blacksmith tools..The lady said that she had never heard of such a tool name and referred me to the "I Forge Iron" website...which of course is where we started.. My conclusion in that the tune name does NOT refer to a blacksmith's tool....

Blu - Posted - 05/16/2019:  08:36:19

I read an article in an old Foxfire book in which butchering and use of a pig was described. The article indicated that the hooves were often placed in the fireplace away from the fire, and hot coals were placed around the hooves to heat them up. When a hoof was sufficiently heated and softened it was then possible to carve the hoof material away with a pocket knife to expose the meat. This explanation for the name of the tune makes sense to me.

TuneWeaver - Posted - 05/16/2019:  10:46:07

Blu, that sounds good to me..and it does make sense...No, not as exciting as a slave hiding a shoat under the bed or vegans gone wild, but still it Does make sense..Now all we gotta' do if find reference to shoving the pig's foot a little closer to the fire using a tool called a pig's foot and we'll have it  

Edited by - TuneWeaver on 05/16/2019 10:48:21

TuneWeaver - Posted - 05/16/2019:  11:08:26

OK, get out the charcoal and grill:  A little research found THIS:.......

• Wash pig feet well and add to a stock pot along with the bay leaf, onion and garlic.


• Cover completely with water and boil using medium heat for 2 hours.


• Let feet cool slightly, then place over indirect heat over hot charcoal for the first 40 minutes.


• After 40 minutes, place the pigs feat over the hot coals and turn frequently until outside is crispy, but not burnt.

Edited by - TuneWeaver on 05/16/2019 11:08:54

DougD - Posted - 05/16/2019:  11:25:08

Another good story, but I don't think that's really necessary with pig's feet. They don't have big tough hooves like a horse.
If you're Googling around Lee you'll find lots of recipes - they're really quite a delicacy. The great aunt of a former girlfriend of mine used to say "I just love those two litte bites right behind the ankle, don't you?"
I'm heading to the grocery store and maybe I'll see what they look like. Around here they're usually right near the jowls and brains.

groundhogpeggy - Posted - 05/16/2019:  11:43:18

They used to pickle them a lot...pig's feet, that is. I personally never wanted to eat feet, tongues, or brains...kidneys, livers and hearts I always did love, but that wouldn't make a good name for a fiddle tune...shove that slice o' kidney into the hot coals and get 'em in there further than farther...or something...tasty, but no good as a tune.

ShawnCraver - Posted - 05/16/2019:  11:58:45

I was at a jam a few years ago or so and someone was surprised I didn't know the tune. I was more impressed with the name than the tune itself. But then I listened to Marcus Martin play it and was impressed. As far as the name... sometimes names are just nonsense. It could've been the first thing that popped into his head.

Edited by - ShawnCraver on 05/16/2019 11:59:04

TuneWeaver - Posted - 05/16/2019:  12:11:00

My lovely wife (Vegetarian for 50 years) is going to be on a camping trip with some of her lady friends, next week.. I can get two pig's feet at Kroger for $1.26...Guess what I'm having for supper on Monday...

ChickenMan - Posted - 05/16/2019:  13:06:01

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I was at a jam a few years ago or so and someone was surprised I didn't know the tune. I was more impressed with the name than the tune itself. But then I listened to Marcus Martin play it and was impressed. As far as the name... sometimes names are just nonsense. It could've been the first thing that popped into his head.

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Yes, sadly, few folks play it like Mr Martin. Few play any of his tunes like he does.

Dan Gellert - Posted - 05/16/2019:  14:31:31

It's been a long time since I've looked at it, but I recall the tune that's notated along with the story in Talley's book being similar enough to Marcus Martin's that I reckoned that the similarity in the two titles was unlikely to be completely coincidental.

The difference between them seems a straightforward case of a lyric being altered through oral transmission. Outside of the context of the story, shoving a pig's foot under the bed makes no sense. Someone filled in the rest of the line "Shove that pig's foot a little further...." in the most logical way that could be done while remaining within the bounds of decency.

TuneWeaver - Posted - 05/16/2019:  14:39:10

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Originally posted by Earworm

There is no need to take that fok tale as history - folk tales are tales. The character of the clever trickster appears in many folk tales around the world, emphasizing the power of an ordinary person to overcome and outsmart a master, authority, or predator. In particular, the trickster Anansi the Spider, that originates in Africa, may be applicable here. This is simply a Wikipedia entry, about Anansi, but there are many folktales utilizing this well-known character. It seems that the fiddler in this story takes on that role.

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This causes me to lament.. When I was a child the 'trickster' was Little Black Sambo (and books about him).. and there was Sambo's restaurant.. Well, people got offended by the paintings of Little Black Sambo outsmarting the tiger apparently and they had to close... Just because he was a smart black boy from  SUDAN, people got offended.. I'm out of touch, but I do have a black daughter-in-law, a black grandson, black cousins and Hispanic half brothers, and a Mexican-American step-father.. SO.. to me, there is  NO racial content in the stories about such a smart boy, but people have decided that just because he was black..well.... OK.. Done with that.. Thanks for letting me vent...  Remember.. All in fun, it is debatble, and I'm no expert.. Just OLD.. 

Edited by - TuneWeaver on 05/16/2019 14:39:43

captainhook - Posted - 05/16/2019:  14:47:07

My memory is not great, but somewhere along the line I think I was told that a pig's foot is some kind of andiron, used in a fireplace. Probably wrong, so don't put any money on that one.

TuneWeaver - Posted - 05/16/2019:  15:29:39

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My memory is not great, but somewhere along the line I think I was told that a pig's foot is some kind of andiron, used in a fireplace. Probably wrong, so don't put any money on that one.

The problem has been that we can't find anything definitive except the Railroading tool called a pig's foot (if indeed that is definitive)...so you may be right but a little verification would help..

Then, there is THIS:  amazon.co.uk/PANEL-RELEASE-STY...0085KOOFO      It'll never end!!!

Edited by - TuneWeaver on 05/16/2019 15:30:50

DougD - Posted - 05/16/2019:  15:37:03

Lee, I recently revisited "Little Black Sambo" to confirm how many pancakes he ate, and was a little surprised to find he was South Indian, not African: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_St...ack_Sambo

Lonesome Fiddler - Posted - 05/16/2019:  15:43:35

The way my wife tells the story (whether her version is true or not, she has a masters degree in Ethno Musicology), the title is based on a pre-Civil War tale in which a master heads toward a slave's hut where the hungry slave has made off with the foot of one of the master's pigs and is now cooking it up. Wise to what is going down, the slave's wife improvises a song with lyrics revolving around "shove that pig's foot deeper into the fire." The slave figures what's up and quickly shoves the pig's foot under the ashes.

TuneWeaver - Posted - 05/16/2019:  15:44:20

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Lee, I recently revisited "Little Black Sambo" to confirm how many pancakes he ate, and was a little surprised to find he was South Indian, not African: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_St...ack_Sambo

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You are right.. I meant to say South Indian.... Not Sudan..... I'm wrong again..!!!

DougD - Posted - 05/16/2019:  15:53:57

BTW, Little Black Sambo ate 169 pancakes, quite an achievement for any youngster, no matter what continent he was from. My memory had inflated it to 179, so I was glad for the correction.

TuneWeaver - Posted - 05/16/2019:  15:53:59

I entreat you to hear what I was trying to say, and not just what I said... I can be rather inarticulate at time..and 'off the wall'...

Brendan Doyle - Posted - 05/16/2019:  18:23:37

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Lee, I recently revisited "Little Black Sambo" to confirm how many pancakes he ate, and was a little surprised to find he was South Indian, not African: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_St...ack_Sambo

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Yes, that's what I remember, too, though as a kid, I don't think I had a clear idea where he was from, and it didn't really matter to me; he was my hero! Inspired by Little Black Sambo, I even asked my mother if she would make me 169 pancakes so that I could emulate his feat. To my amazement, she agreed to do that! She was no dummy, though; she started making me little pancakes about the size of a silver dollar (she remembered that, not me) and served them to me a few at a time as I gobbled them down. I think I got to about 15 before I put down my fork, groaning, and realized I was no match for the mighty Little Black Sambo. It never occurred to me - or to my 1950s-socially-aware parents, I guess - that there was anything racist about the character or the story. I'm sure stereotypes were involved, but children's stories often employ stereotypes, which doesn't necessarily seem problematic to me if they aren't derogatory. If I can find a copy of the book, I should reread it to see what the fuss was about. I might have to get out my spatula, though!

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Brendan Doyle - Posted - 05/16/2019:  18:33:41

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Originally posted by DougD

I thought the same thing. That tale was collected at some point, and the story could fit with the lyrics from Mike Seeger (unfortunately too late to ask him where thry came from) quoted at the Fiddler's Companion. Whether or not it has to do with this tune - who knows? But its plausible

On the other hand, the "blacksmith's tool" story makes no sense at all. It may have been invented by a nattering vegan at Clifftop who was horrified that they were playing a tune about pig meat.

Also, a collector who visited Marcus Martin, the source of this tune, said his refrigerator contained only moonshine and soda crackers. No hog meat at all.

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Guess now I'll have to write a Marcus Martin-inspired tune called "Moonshine and Soda Crackers"...

carlb - Posted - 05/17/2019:  05:48:04

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Blu, that sounds good to me..and it does make sense...No, not as exciting as a slave hiding a shoat under the bed or vegans gone wild, but still it Does make sense..Now all we gotta' do if find reference to shoving the pig's foot a little closer to the fire using a tool called a pig's foot and we'll have it  

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The Foxfire Book, 1972, p. 206

"FEET - Rake hot coals out on the fireplace hearth. Put the feet on the hearth with the hooves against the coals. When very hot, the hooves can be sliced out of the meat easily, and the remainder of the hair scraped or singed off, and the meat scraped clean."

Astrang - Posted - 05/17/2019:  10:56:40

I think I would “ruther” eat the blacksmith tool.

We had old wagon skeins in our fireplace to build the fire on. That’s the metal adapter part that the wagon wheel turned on. (the part they were always greasing in the old western movies.) Anyway, it seems like grandpa called them pigs feet, just can’t remember for sure, to long ago I guess. I wished I could ask him, - about a million things.

ShawnCraver - Posted - 05/17/2019:  13:49:07

books.google.com/books?id=et9J...7s+foot++

TuneWeaver - Posted - 05/17/2019:  13:58:18

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books.google.com/books?id=et9J...7s+foot++

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No,  NOOOOOO.. now you have opened a can of worms!!!  This will go on and on..!!!