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TuneWeaver - Posted - 05/08/2019:  14:07:04


Last night at our jam we played Duck River,

AKA:

Old Dubuque

Dubuque

Bob Walters

General Lee

Mother Flanagan

Nancy Dawson

Nancy Dalton

Hell Up Coal Holler

Possum up a Gum Stump

Mabel

Coonie in the HOller

Apple Blossom

Muddy Road to Kansas

Fiddlin' Phil

Five Miles from Town

Going Down to Maysville

Lighthouse

Texas Travelers

Village Hornpipe



Sweet  Ellen



Indian ate the Woodpecker





Pretty big family...!!

What other "FAMILIES" of tunes have you heard of?


Edited by - TuneWeaver on 05/08/2019 14:08:12

Woodcutter - Posted - 05/08/2019:  14:12:13


Many, If not all, of the tunes listed have a melody completely different from Duck River, at least the way I hear things. What am I missing here?

TuneWeaver - Posted - 05/08/2019:  14:23:33


quote:

Originally posted by Woodcutter

Many, If not all, of the tunes listed have a melody completely different from Duck River, at least the way I hear things. What am I missing here?






Over the years I've come across many tunes that sounded a little like Duck River.. When I searched the internet...I found that tunes that are even remotely similar are called a 'family'... While my friends are sure that Duck River and  Dubuque are different tunes,, when they play Duck River and I play Dubuque along with them it sounds good and nobody notices.. The tunes, while having differences.. are in the same 'family' and play well together.. I've noticed other 'family' tunes over the years...



None of this is 'written in stone"... it as All debatable..but still FUN to discuss and Never worth an argument..(IMO)....

soppinthegravy - Posted - 05/08/2019:  14:36:55


Is this tune in the same family?

tunearch.org/wiki/Pull_off_Your_Overcoat

fiddlehangout.com/myhangout/me...archived=

TuneWeaver - Posted - 05/08/2019:  14:47:17


I don't know.. It, to me sounds like it is a "Whiskey before Breakfast " family. What do you think?



The second part sounds a "little'' like Dubuque..


Edited by - TuneWeaver on 05/08/2019 14:49:18

Woodcutter - Posted - 05/08/2019:  14:47:49







Over the years I've come across many tunes that sounded a little like Duck River.. When I searched the internet...I found that tunes that are even remotely similar are called a 'family'... While my friends are sure that Duck River and  Dubuque are different tunes,, when they play Duck River and I play Dubuque along with them it sounds good and nobody notices.. The tunes, while having differences.. are in the same 'family' and play well together.. I've noticed other 'family' tunes over the years...



None of this is 'written in stone"... it as All debatable..but still FUN to discuss and Never worth an argument..(IMO)....






Sorry, I still don't get it. The list contains tunes in keys of D, C, A, G and I just can't even imagine playing them in a jam while others are playing Duck River. Perhaps the term 'remotely similar' needs some definition since it could mean just about anything. Is a tune remotely similar because it's in the same key --- or because both are in cut time --- or because both are Appalachian fiddle tunes?

TuneWeaver - Posted - 05/08/2019:  14:55:00


quote:

Originally posted by Woodcutter






Over the years I've come across many tunes that sounded a little like Duck River.. When I searched the internet...I found that tunes that are even remotely similar are called a 'family'... While my friends are sure that Duck River and  Dubuque are different tunes,, when they play Duck River and I play Dubuque along with them it sounds good and nobody notices.. The tunes, while having differences.. are in the same 'family' and play well together.. I've noticed other 'family' tunes over the years...



None of this is 'written in stone"... it as All debatable..but still FUN to discuss and Never worth an argument..(IMO)....






Sorry, I still don't get it. The list contains tunes in keys of D, C, A, G and I just can't even imagine playing them in a jam while others are playing Duck River. Perhaps the term 'remotely similar' needs some definition since it could mean just about anything. Is a tune remotely similar because it's in the same key --- or because both are in cut time --- or because both are Appalachian fiddle tunes?






Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that they are all interchangable.. Some are the Same versions with different names.. Others are obviously variations of some 'standard'.(family) tune... 



I'm no authority on this subject but I do know that The mentioned tune has crossed my path several times with similar variations or different names.. THere are bound to be others..

buckhenry - Posted - 05/08/2019:  16:14:36


LOL...… they are all variations of the same choon......

farmerjones - Posted - 05/08/2019:  16:41:10


I get it. For sure, there are brother/sister tunes,and aunt/uncle, cousin tunes. I also understand for those trying to keep things straight, they don't appreciate this perspective. In a jam i keep it to myself, unless im amoung the like minded.

Btw, lets not forget the"liza jane family."

TuneWeaver - Posted - 05/08/2019:  17:40:32


Yes, Liza Jane.. very big family.. All related.. (is that legal?)wink



Fun to debate, !!



not written in stone!!



I'm no expert!!

brettzke - Posted - 05/08/2019:  17:59:53


Just to keep things going: It always sounded to my ear that "Trouble On The Nine Mile" was in the "Dubuque" family.

tpquinn - Posted - 05/08/2019:  18:45:23


I've heard it said that there's only one tune, Soldier's Joy, and all other tunes are just variations. So, if there may be families of tunes, would Soldier's Joy be the common ancestor of them all? Not implying "ancestor" by being the oldest.

ChickenMan - Posted - 05/08/2019:  19:25:28


“Duck River” and “Dubuque” are definitely in the same family. The main difference is second phrase of the A part. I have no idea about the rest. I’ve played a couple in jams but don’t know any of them.

farmerjones - Posted - 05/08/2019:  20:33:28


Round here the joke goes, there were only six original tunes brought over from the old country, and four of them are Flop-eared Mule.

Couldn't Dubuques be related to Natchez Under the Hill, as well? Or is that the one that sounds like Old Zip Coon, and Turkey in the Straw?

Dont forget theres 14 names for every shune. (Change the key and add 8 more)

ShawnCraver - Posted - 05/08/2019:  23:39:42


I don't know many of the tunes on the list but I have noticed that Dubuque and Duck River are very much like my Sweet Ellen and Israel Welch's Forks of Cheat.

TuneWeaver - Posted - 05/09/2019:  05:22:21


quote:

Originally posted by soppinthegravy

Is this tune in the same family?



tunearch.org/wiki/Pull_off_Your_Overcoat



fiddlehangout.com/myhangout/me...archived=






You did a good job of transcribing that tune.. Yes, to me the first part sounds like it might be in the Duck River family, but the second part sounds more like Whiskey Before Breakfast.... What do others think?

Lonesome Fiddler - Posted - 05/09/2019:  16:53:00


quote:

Originally posted by tpquinn

I've heard it said that there's only one tune, Soldier's Joy, and all other tunes are just variations. So, if there may be families of tunes, would Soldier's Joy be the common ancestor of them all? Not implying "ancestor" by being the oldest.






The way I hear it, Soldier's Joy does little more than traipse up and down perhaps the most common lick/progression in Western Music, the One-Three-Five-Octave.  In other words, it's the common major triad that is the granddaddy of all those fiddle tunes.

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