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TuneWeaver - Posted - 05/03/2019:  12:45:56


Never have I come across a fiddler at a jam session who arrived at said session with the intention of playing badly ......Every one of them played his/her heart out the best way they knew how.......Me, well I cringed when I heard some of them play, and others cringed when they heard ME play.....I had an epiphany.. From now on I'm going to give fiddlers some slack. Who knows what physical, financial, social, emotional or history thingys caused them to play the way they do...I'm SURE that some know they could improve (as we all can) and are insecure about it but for reasons unknown to me....they just keep playing their hearts out the best they can...If any of you ever gets the sense that I'm putting down a fiddler for lack of ability....give me a swift kick..

Comments?


Edited by - TuneWeaver on 05/03/2019 12:47:12

ChickenMan - Posted - 05/03/2019:  15:29:11


Everyone has something to bring to the jam.

Woodcutter - Posted - 05/03/2019:  16:22:55


quote:

Originally posted by TuneWeaver

. Who knows what physical, financial, social, emotional or history thingys caused them to play the way they do...I'm SURE that some know they could improve (as we all can) and are insecure about it but for reasons unknown to me....they just keep playing their hearts out the best they can...






Couldn't you say the same thing about everyone in every walk of life?

TuneWeaver - Posted - 05/03/2019:  16:56:36


quote:

Originally posted by Woodcutter

quote:

Originally posted by TuneWeaver

. Who knows what physical, financial, social, emotional or history thingys caused them to play the way they do...I'm SURE that some know they could improve (as we all can) and are insecure about it but for reasons unknown to me....they just keep playing their hearts out the best they can...






Couldn't you say the same thing about everyone in every walk of life?






YES.. That could be said about everyone..!!

buckhenry - Posted - 05/03/2019:  18:18:59


quote:

Originally posted by TuneWeaver

.......Me, well I cringed when I heard some of them play, and others cringed when they heard ME play.....






This is just the 'ego' telling you...''you can play better than that, you must play better''...



When you hear these negative thoughts just focus on your breathing. When you do that there will be no room available in your mind for these thoughts, and they will vanish and thus allow you to focus all your attention on the beautiful sounds and emotions that playing the music produces.  

stumpkicker - Posted - 05/04/2019:  05:09:49


quote:

Originally posted by ChickenMan

Everyone has something to bring to the jam.






In my case it’s usually Biscottis. wink

TuneWeaver - Posted - 05/04/2019:  05:14:00


quote:

Originally posted by buckhenry

quote:

Originally posted by TuneWeaver

.......Me, well I cringed when I heard some of them play, and others cringed when they heard ME play.....






This is just the 'ego' telling you...''you can play better than that, you must play better''...



When you hear these negative thoughts just focus on your breathing. When you do that there will be no room available in your mind for these thoughts, and they will vanish and thus allow you to focus all your attention on the beautiful sounds and emotions that playing the music produces.  






Nice thought.

gapbob - Posted - 05/04/2019:  06:54:09


There is a beauty in everyone’s playing, regardless of skill, just for some it is harder to notice. :-)

soppinthegravy - Posted - 05/04/2019:  07:00:56


I never did like people making fun of other pickers as in this video, for example. youtube.com/watch?v=xfrvU6ZFL_g

UsuallyPickin - Posted - 05/04/2019:  07:01:31


There are newbies, there are players that have gotten old ,there are folks that have reached the height of their prowess but play on. I am or have been or will be all of the above. I enjoy it too much to quit ... 



 The thing is .... I can be better ... better than I was ... playing , taking lessons going to workshops jamming with friends and strangers listening with slow down software reaching to sometimes grasp and sometimes not the next level. "I am better than" ceases to be part of any consideration and only takes .... it doesn't give anything to me or any music I am trying to make / share. I started fiddling at the age Kenny Baker was when he recorded KB plays BM. I figured out quickly that I would never catch up.

Making a jam into a contest whether it's in my head or my attitude ..... no thanks. R/ 


Edited by - UsuallyPickin on 05/04/2019 07:10:10

finn mcc - Posted - 05/04/2019:  07:16:04


I'm not yet able to sync well with others on fiddle -- especially if the their timing isn't strong and nervousness makes my technique fall apart, but at an old time fiddle group I went to there was an old guy with terrible technique that still inspires me -- he just has fun and plays -- I want to be more like him. He has the attitude I want to learn.

TuneWeaver - Posted - 05/04/2019:  07:44:56


quote:

Originally posted by soppinthegravy

I never did like people making fun of other pickers as in this video, for example. youtube.com/watch?v=xfrvU6ZFL_g






I agree..There is a big difference between making fun WITH a musician and making fun OF a musician.. 



 

Old Scratch - Posted - 05/04/2019:  08:35:58


The jazz pianist Art Tatum was once asked why he bothered going to clubs and listening to pianists that weren't nearly as good as him - he answered (paraphrasing), "There's always something you can learn from everybody."

stumpkicker - Posted - 05/04/2019:  14:15:50


Back in the 90s [. Yipes I’m Old! :-( ]. I took a workshop with Tony Trishka. He told us to try to play with people just a little bit better than ourselves to improve our playing; but similarly try to welcome folks who were just a bit behind us.

TuneWeaver - Posted - 05/04/2019:  14:19:21


quote:

Originally posted by stumpkicker

Back in the 90s [. Yipes I’m Old! :-( ]. I took a workshop with Tony Trishka. He told us to try to play with people just a little bit better than ourselves to improve our playing; but similarly try to welcome folks who were just a bit behind us.






Play along.... or Teach,....or Learn....  !!



More seriously.. I have a beginner friend who lacks bowing skills... however I keep watching that friend  and wondering how that friend gets those SOUNDS...... We can learn from everyone!!!


Edited by - TuneWeaver on 05/04/2019 14:21:16

Viper - Posted - 05/08/2019:  12:54:15


quote:

Originally posted by stumpkicker

Back in the 90s [. Yipes I’m Old! :-( ]. I took a workshop with Tony Trishka. He told us to try to play with people just a little bit better than ourselves to improve our playing; but similarly try to welcome folks who were just a bit behind us.






That should be the mission statement of every local jam session. 

TuneWeaver - Posted - 05/08/2019:  13:04:46


quote:

Originally posted by Viper

quote:

Originally posted by stumpkicker

Back in the 90s [. Yipes I’m Old! :-( ]. I took a workshop with Tony Trishka. He told us to try to play with people just a little bit better than ourselves to improve our playing; but similarly try to welcome folks who were just a bit behind us.






That should be the mission statement of every local jam session. 






SERIOUSLY !!!... I've thought about that:   1.  no noodling between tunes, 2, Don't pick a tune you can't play, 3, LISTEN to a new tune before trying to play it.   4.  If you don't know a tune well, play QUIETLY..5 Bring better beer than what I usually buy.......6...If I get out of line..smack me..



 

TuneWeaver - Posted - 05/08/2019:  13:38:38


quote:

Originally posted by stumpkicker

Back in the 90s [. Yipes I’m Old! :-( ]. I took a workshop with Tony Trishka. He told us to try to play with people just a little bit better than ourselves to improve our playing; but similarly try to welcome folks who were just a bit behind us.






Going for humour here:  If I'm in a jam with too many beginners at a festival, I Sneak off with one or two AMAZING fiddlers like myself...except that sometimes I'm getting ready to sneak off... only to notice that other fiddlers are ALREADY sneaking off WITHOUT ME !!!!.. Now, THAT is humbling..!!


Edited by - TuneWeaver on 05/08/2019 13:39:11

buckhenry - Posted - 05/08/2019:  16:03:28




Originally posted by Viper

quote:

Originally posted by stumpkicker

Back in the 90s [. Yipes I’m Old! :-( ]. I took a workshop with Tony Trishka. He told us to try to play with people just a little bit better than ourselves to improve our playing; but similarly try to welcome folks who were just a bit behind us.






That should be the mission statement of every local jam session. 






Now here's the reason ya'll play the 'old time' music...............



oldtime-central.com/is-oldtime...-of-tune/



 

gapbob - Posted - 05/08/2019:  20:32:47


The one thing that makes a bad fiddler is when someone with a fiddle cannot play remotely in time.

Lonesome Fiddler - Posted - 05/08/2019:  22:02:59


You don't have to make fun of a bad player. Not even a bad player who is very loud and very bossy. You just have to ooch the rest of the players over to your side, perhaps by gently asking one of your fellow jam sufferers to suggest a tune.

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