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 ARCHIVED TOPIC: Which scales to start with?


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Lawnisg0tmail - Posted - 09/10/2017:  11:31:15


Now that I've setteled on the fact that scales ARE useful, I'm wondering where I should start. I'm keeping it in first position for now, and can't really get that pinky reach to hit those higher notes.



As of now I've got G major (1 and 2 octave). D major, A major, and D dorian(?) any resources out there for those of us that are musically illiterate? (i.e. can't read sheet music, yet)



Planning on doing some looking around myself, but it doesn't hurt to ask around!

amwildman - Posted - 09/10/2017:  12:04:38


No. Scale books assume you can read music at a basic level. If you are going to do scales, it would be in your best interest to learn to read them.

Aerobics for Fiddlers is great, and has a CD that has audio tracks of all the tracks. You can use the CD to play by ear if you are that good, but, as usual, teaching cds are just too fast for most learners. Rip the CD to your computer and slow down the tracks to match your ability.

bluenote23 - Posted - 09/10/2017:  13:03:35


One of the ways I use scales is to help me in my intonation when playing a tune. So before I play the tune, I will run through the scale to help my fingers situate themselves.



So practice the scales of the keys of the tunes you are playing and want to play first. G, D and A as well as C will be the most common keys.



My online violin teacher has note reading lessons but you have to pay for them. I have not used them as I can read. You can check it out here (there are some free lesson previews):



violinlab.com/noteReading/landingPage.php



Note that this is a classical violin resource, not old time fiddle but notes are notes.

Lawnisg0tmail - Posted - 09/10/2017:  13:09:37


Anything helps! Thanks!



I'm planning on learning to read music eventually but haven't had much time to put towards it lately


Edited by - Lawnisg0tmail on 09/10/2017 13:09:50

Lonesome Fiddler - Posted - 09/10/2017:  13:28:29


Work on the C scale.  If your fingers are tight it can be difficult at first, but the scale will really help them loosen up and make you a better fiddler.   Don't worry if you can't read musical notation.  Just let your do-re-mi instincts be your guide.  You can find the C to start with by doing the do-re-mi on the G string.  It'll be Fa.  Under your ring finger.  Don't worry yet, either, if you can't hit the C atop the second octave.

michaeljennings - Posted - 09/10/2017:  14:46:38


One Idea for you, if you are not going to pursue reading standard notation, is checking on scale books/studies for the mandolin, which often have tablature notations.
"Mel Bay's Mandolin Scales and Studies by Ray Bell" would be one such book with both standard notation and tablature.

amwildman - Posted - 09/10/2017:  15:05:29


I wouldn't try any scales other for the time being than those that specifically apply to your genre of music?  OT music?  Stick to the G, D and their related minors.  Maybe A.  Irish = the same.  C scales and D dorians won't help you much in those genres.

DougD - Posted - 09/10/2017:  16:17:46


Lots of old time tunes in C. Like Lonesome Fiddler, I'd go there next, after G, D, and A. Mixolydian of those keys are only one note different from the major scale. D, E, and maybe A Dorian might be useful, and only one more note different. I've been practicing F and Bb a little too, even though I only play one or tunes tune in each of those keys - but you still have to know where the notes are.

gapbob - Posted - 09/10/2017:  17:46:38


Practice D, G, and A to start, in first position.  Start on the Key note, end on the key note, but go up and down around the key note.  Learn some tunes in those keys, then you can branch out.

UsuallyPickin - Posted - 09/10/2017:  19:40:44


G D and A scales are the logical place to start. Then move on to two octave scales in those keys. Work with a tuner on and listen so your ear becomes trained along with your fingers. On reaching that pinky tone. If instead of putting your hand in a position to push straight down with the index finger to pick up that second tone place your hand so you have to reach back a smidgen to reach that second tone in the G D and A scales. THat will allow you that extra bit to reach with your pinky. R/

JRice - Posted - 09/10/2017:  19:56:26


Louis, If I'm getting familiar with a piece of music I practice the scale that the key signature is of that tune. For instance, if the key signature is F# then you would practice the G Scale. Practice this and the Arpeggios for the G Scale. Printed instructional material will help. "THE FIDDLERS RED BOOK of SCALES & ARPEGGIOS" by Gordon Stobbe will be of benefit. Hope this helps...

Cyndy - Posted - 09/10/2017:  22:08:53


The Gordon Stobbe book is a wonderful resource. I used it for a short time and highly recommend it.

buckhenry - Posted - 09/10/2017:  23:03:36


quote:

Originally posted by UsuallyPickin

 

G D and A scales are the logical place to start. 









Yes, learn scales where the open string is the tonic. Then continue with major scales that begin with the first finger, then the second finger etc. 



Practice all these scales from tonic to the octave, then on the same scale play from the second note to it's octave, etc, etc. 



You don't need to read musical notation to do this, you can use ''caged shapes''.......cdn.tidyform.com/Download/html...t/bg1.png

Beanzy - Posted - 09/11/2017:  01:12:52


 



GD&A



There's a lot of good info in this video.



youtu.be/D0_sMY4pQPU



If you're not reading the dots yet then, clipping on a tuner & getting a print out of the scale (writing the letter under each note) is a handy way to get the idea as you go. Matching the note to the tuner takes away some of the uncertainty for the first while until you tune in the ears & the fingers. It won't be long before you won't even bother with it, but it's a reassurance initially.



 

UsuallyPickin - Posted - 09/11/2017:  05:36:07


Gordon Stobbe does have several excellent books on fiddling and one on reading music. Definitely worth checking out.

BanjoBrad - Posted - 09/11/2017:  10:38:30


I second amwildman's suggestion on Aerobics For Fiddlers.  You can, I suspect, learn basic notation from the first exercises as they show the notes and the finger to use.  I read music, so can't vouch for the learning from the book.  The book is good for dexterity (and I have played guitar and banjo for years, but the positioning of the noting fingers is sufficiently different to require a little work) as well as noting.



I need to get back to the book, myself. 

Lawnisg0tmail - Posted - 09/11/2017:  15:22:30


I definetly plan on learning to read sheet music at some point, I just havent put any time at all into it as of now. I'll definetly check some of this stuff out!

DeamhanFola - Posted - 09/14/2017:  09:23:34


I second the advice to play along with recordings of the scales. This was one of the best things that I did as a beginner to help with intonation. IMO, the more you can focus on your ear, the better. If you're interested in Irish music, I found Paul McNevin's book/CD useful as a beginner-- it has first position scales for practice in notation and on the CD, plus a good selection of tunes appropriate for beginners.



amazon.com/Complete-Guide-Lear...sh+fiddle

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