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 ARCHIVED TOPIC: Fiddle Pibrochs analysis help needed!


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Canadianboundfiddle - Posted - 04/07/2016:  15:09:05


Does anyone know a general formal analysis of fiddle pibrochs? Is it the same as the piping pibroch form? I know it is in binary A B form for the urlar but I was unsure if it is divided the same ways as the pipe pibrochs are. As in is it grouped into simple A B sections both of eight bars or are they broken down into smaller bar units? 



Any information about this would be great, thanks! 

ChickenMan - Posted - 04/07/2016:  19:10:34


I have never heard that term used in fiddling but I'd say, yes, two parts, A and B eight bars each and repeated AABB is the usual fiddle tune structure.

Addie - Posted - 04/07/2016:  20:27:33


You're going to find that they're all over the place, but fall into three categories.



1. Pipe music played on the fiddle.



2. Tunes that fit the pibroch structure written for fiddle.



3. Tunes written for fiddle that only mimic certain aspects of pibroch.



You can tell one and two apart.  Tunes in category two may have a different note range ("key"), and aren't a known part of the pipe repertoire.  If you know piobaireachd inside and out, you'll also recognize tunes in category three.  



I recommend you play them as close to one of the piobaireachd styles as possible, changing note values when needed, but not anything else.  Add double stops and grace notes ad lib... it is fiddle music, after all.  Some of the early printed tunes use scordatura.  Consider that mandatory for the tune.



I have a fairly large collection written out in abc format, if you're interested.

Addie - Posted - 04/07/2016:  20:32:46


If you're familiar with Alex Haddow, use his system.  That'll help you identify the cadences--something lacking in most of the fiddle pibroch I've heard.

Addie - Posted - 04/08/2016:  15:07:35


If you're not familiar with Haddow, get a copy



 

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:  Pibrochs - I have a fairly large collection written out in abc format, if you're interested.


Originally posted by Addie

Addie - Looking at a real old message by you on Fiddle Hangout - Do you have music for Piobaireachd(the Gaelic spelling of Pibroch) for Fiddle? I have been a piper for more than 50 years, used to compete in Piobaireachd competitions, and, have been playing fiddle for about two years. I would love to look at some.


I found a nice video of someone playing "Lament for Neil Gow's Wife" recently. I would love the music for that.

If you're familiar with Alex Haddow, use his system.  That'll help you identify the cadences--something lacking in most of the fiddle pibroch I've heard.







 

Addie - Posted - 11/16/2016:  13:35:32


Did I hear my name?  surprise



Piobireachd... it's always pibroch in the fiddle collections.  Sorry.  Yes, I used to compete as well.  No gold medal (far from it), but I had tuition from a couple of medalists. 



Daniel Dow has the most fiddle pibrochs in his 1778 collection.  You'll be able to tell them from the harp tunes by the variations.  My best advice is to make them sound like piobaireachd.  After a few runs through, you'll recognize what notes are held, and which are shorter than written.



Niel Gow's Lament for the Death of His Second Wife in abc notation:



X:1

T:Niel Gow’s Lament for the Death of His 2d. Wife.

M:6/8

L:1/8

R:Air

C:Niel Gow.

B:Gow – Fifth Collection of Strathspey Reels (1809)

N:”Slow and Pathetic”

%%staves {1 2}

Q:40

K:D

V:1

D/2B,/2| TA,>B,D !invertedturn!D>ED| (EFA) TB2 d| (AFD) T(E>DE)| ({DE}F)DB, TB,2 D/2B,/2|\

TA,>B,D D>ED| (EF)A !fermata!d2 c/2B/2|

(AFD) {=C} B,2 A,| B,DD D2:|(A/4B/4c/2)| !invertedturn!(dfd) (ec)!wedge!A|\

T(B/2A/2)(B/2c/2)({Bc}d) (B/2A/2)(G/2F/2)(E/2D/2)|\

TE>DE {DE}F>ED|(FD)B, TB,2(A/4B/4c/2)|

T(df)!wedge!d (ec)!wedge!A|(B/A/)(B/c/){Bc}d (B/A/)(G/F/)(E/D/)|\

TE>DE {DE}FDB,|A,DD !invertedturn!D2 (A/4B/4c/)|\

!invertedturn!(df)!wedge!d (ec)!wedge!A|(B/2A/2)(B/2c/2)({Bc}d) (B/2A/2)(G/2F/2)(E/2D/2)|

(F/2D/2)(A/2F/2)(d/2A/2) (B/2A/2)(G/2F/2)(E/2D/2)| ({DE}F)EE E2 !p!D/2B,/2|\

TA,>B,D D>ED| (EF)A !fermata!d2 c/2B/2| (AF)D {=C} B,2 A,| B,DDD2|| yyy

V:2 clef=bass middle=d transpose=-24

"_SLOW & PATHETICK."z | F3[F3d3] | A2FG3 | F3D3 | F2GG2z | [D3F3][F3d3] | cdc!fermata!B2c' |

d'2fg2f | [d2g2]ad2 :| z | [f3d'3][a3c'3e'3] | [g3d'3][f3d'3] | [c3a3][d3a3] | f2gg2z &  d3d2x |

"_They lived together upwards of thirty years; she died two years before him. She had no Issue."[f3d'3]\

[a3c'3e'3] | [g3d'3][f3d'3] | a3 f2g &x3d3 | f3[d2f2a2]z | [f3d'3][a3c'3e'3] | [g3d'3][f3d'3] |

d3g2^g | a3A2z | [D3F3][F3d3] | cdc!fermata!B2c' | d'2fg2f | g2a[d2f2a2] ||



 

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