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joanne - Posted - 07/22/2008:  09:02:46

Recently acquired a fiddle at an auction with a label reading "Ands. Koch" - made in Germany- I looked on the internet and could only find Andreas Koch making accordians & harmonicas - in fact, he was bought out by the Hohner Harmonica folks around 1910. Can't seem to find any reference to violins made by this shop. Tle logo on the label is the same as those on his other instruments, so it seems like it's the same company..............does anyone know anything about Koch fiddles? I got a good buy on mine - it's got a beautiful one-piece back with antique shading to the varnish. All seams are tight, no cracks, just minor wear & tear. Took it to a set-up guy I know to get the soundpost reset and new strings and he said it's a nice, well made insrument. It's got a wonderful sound & is easy to play.
Any info appreciated. Thanks very much. Joanne

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Edited by - BanjoBrad on 07/22/2008 13:32:47

superdave2112 - Posted - 07/22/2008:  20:50:48

Jalovec's Encyclpedia says Andreas Koch was in New York, in the 20th century, and was the owner of and American factory of stringed instruments. That's all they have on him.

So what's the story on the Germany thing? Maybe this is it...

Koch & Sterzel A.G. had a stringed instrument factory in Dresden. If I am reading it right, it was from 1850 to 1877. Maybe that's where it came from? Perhaps Koch was Koch of Koch & Sterzel A.G.

Sorry, that's all I could find! Sounds really cool!

Always most sincerely yours,

David Loudenback

woodwiz - Posted - 07/22/2008:  22:36:46

If it says "Made in Germany", it's from after 1920 or so. I have a bunch of catalog reprints from that time, but no listing for Koch. It's entirely plausible that a dealer in New York would be importing violins from Germany in that time frame. Typically, they had a variety of quality and price levels, but the better trade instruments could be pretty decent.

Michael R
"Together, we create"

"Thank you for the wonderful violin you made. I''ve used it on every show I''ve played since I''ve got it." John Hartford

joanne - Posted - 07/23/2008:  07:30:30

Thank you both, David & Michael. The fiddle I have shows a trademark logo with what looks like a deer or antelope standing on rocks - all within a circle. It's the identical mark found on an antique German accordion made by Ands(Andreas) Koch in Trossingen, Germany, from the 1910 -1920's. Same company was especially into harmonicas, which got bought out by Hohner in 1929. A German patent was issued to the firm of Andreas Koch in 1908 for a certain style harmonica.......a US patent was issued later that year, naming Ernst Koch as the inventor, describing him as a German citizen residing in New Jersey.....he was the son of the founder of the company (Andreas Koch)....

All of this aside, it still doesn't help the with the fiddle's origin!

We don''t stop playin'' cause we get old, we get old cause we stop playin''!

lawrdun - Posted - 10/07/2008:  12:51:31

I also have an Ands Koch violin with the same logo but it doesn't say made in Germany. The label states "Model Ant. Stradivarius/ Gracia/Ands Koch 1915"
I would also like to know more about this violin maker. The only other reference I saw was at (New Jersey dealer) where a similar violin was for sale "Andreas Koch, Germany ca 1920, Maggini Model" listed at betwen $1000-$2,000. I bought mine several years ago for $100 in Toronto.
Could it be that Ands Koch imported violins from Germany possibly Markneukirchen where many violins were labelled Model Ant. Stradivarius or Model Maggini etc.

joanne - Posted - 10/08/2008:  11:01:51

Thanks for your reply! Andreas Koch was in Trossingen, Germany, where a street still bears his name (Andreas Koch Strasse). He had a busy accordion & harmonica factory & was bought out by the Hohner HARMONICA FOLKS IN 1929. My violin does say Made in Germany, but how the import / export business was involved, I don't know. His son, Ernst, was in NJ, sometime later, however. I have no idea if his father, Andreas, ever lived in New York.

We don''t stop playin'' cause we get old, we get old cause we stop playin''!

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