Careane - Posted - 01/06/2012:  11:15:29

Hi there people sorry i havent been on in a while but now I'm back. I am starting to do songs on my own now and am a bit stuck on 1 of the notes, I have got tabledit program so i converted a song to the fiddle bu1 of the notes I don't understand and it's a 3(H) note as was wondering if anyone knows what the H means. If anyone can help that would be awesome.

Thank you

Careane

Leon Grizzard - Posted - 01/06/2012:  11:26:16

It means high. Some fiddle tab has certain finger positions that are default and the H means one half step higher. On the E string, A is the default third finger note, and A# is 3H. On A string D is default 3d finger, and D# is 3H.

cstewart - Posted - 01/06/2012:  11:28:44

I think that means 3rd finger-high position, which would coincide with the 6th fret on a mandolin if you have one of those.  That would be a C# on the G string, A flat on the D string,  E flat on the A string or B flat on the E string.

Careane - Posted - 01/06/2012:  11:38:33

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I think that means 3rd finger-high position, which would coincide with the 6th fret on a mandolin if you have one of those.  That would be a C# on the G string, A flat on the D string,  E flat on the A string or B flat on the E string.

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The 3(H) is on the e string so if i'm right does that mean instead of putting my finger on the 3rd fret i would???? sorry Im so new to this.

mudbug - Posted - 01/06/2012:  12:17:46

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Originally posted by cstewart

I think that means 3rd finger-high position, which would coincide with the 6th fret on a mandolin if you have one of those.  That would be a C# on the G string, A flat on the D string,  E flat on the A string or B flat on the E string.

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The 3(H) is on the e string so if i'm right does that mean instead of putting my finger on the 3rd fret i would???? sorry Im so new to this.

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 Nope,  we don't have frets and if we did it would probably be more like the 6th fret.  Just lay your fingers down on the E string,  the index (1st) second and the third,  where they fall naturally,  then stretch the third finger up a smidgen.  Bada Bing Badda Boom!  A#.

Careane - Posted - 01/06/2012:  12:24:06

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Originally posted by cstewart

I think that means 3rd finger-high position, which would coincide with the 6th fret on a mandolin if you have one of those.  That would be a C# on the G string, A flat on the D string,  E flat on the A string or B flat on the E string.

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The 3(H) is on the e string so if i'm right does that mean instead of putting my finger on the 3rd fret i would???? sorry Im so new to this.

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 Nope,  we don't have frets and if we did it would probably be more like the 6th fret.  Just lay your fingers down on the E string,  the index (1st) second and the third,  where they fall naturally,  then stretch the third finger up a smidgen.  Bada Bing Badda Boom!  A#.

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Lol Thank you very much that helped alot.

richdissmore - Posted - 01/06/2012:  15:22:30

hi i think it means to go up half a finger 3h is half from where you put your finger 3 and a half then 4 i have to go up one half then some times down one half were they tell me like 3L so were its 3h go halfup 3 Lhalf down to make the rigth note for the song

DamSam - Posted - 01/06/2012:  21:09:37

Careane I agree with Rich 3h is a 1/2  up from the norm play with it .

boxbow - Posted - 01/07/2012:  11:21:52

So what does your ear make of the 3H position within the context of the tune?  Is it right? Wrong? Weird? Wired? Ultimately, it's your good judgement that makes these choices, but it can be a tough chore on a new tune.

Anyway, it's the same principal as 2 and 2H on the D string giving you C and C# or on the E string giving you G and G#.  It's just that your ring finger is less enthusiastic about that lateral stretch.

What key is the tune in?

cardinalwookie - Posted - 01/07/2012:  16:48:59

What everyone else said......
Also;
If you are using Tabledit you have the advantage of the playback yo judge. I started on fretted instruments(guitar, banjo, uke) and so talking about frets as a reference helps.
If you haven't played on fretted instruments before this may not mean a lot. I have started to play more tab with Ls and Hs recently (I have only been playing 4 months) and I found that sliding up from a 3 to a 3H (or from 2 down to 2L) until it sounds right helped me judge better. After that I tried playing with the tune on Tabledit (Slowed way down) until I was able to hit most of the time.
Once I know what I am looking for I can then practice it without Tabledit.
Hope that helps.

boxbow - Posted - 01/08/2012:  08:36:30

Oh, is that how it's done? 2L and 2, 3 and 3H?  Handy tool, but cumbersome.  I'll have to remember it.  So would it be 1L then for, say, Bb on the A string?  Just plain 4 for the perfect 5th?

I attended a fiddle seminar/party at the farm of some acquaintances and there were a half-dozen or so kids who were used to a number system.  It clearly made some kind of sense, but learning a new system wasn't my primary focus.  I could see that the guy running the seminar was struggling to translate for the kids' benefit. 

You could call it a "stop-gap" measure until you train your ear.

leemysliwiec - Posted - 01/12/2012:  14:43:02

It is good to see you back on the Hangout. LEE