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Dog Walker

United Kingdom
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since 6/19/17

07/12/2017 05:26:46 Reply with Quote

One month, closed 1st position scales in all major keys exclusively. At last, starting to be able to move up in 3rd position to the high D note on the E string , and hit it sweetly most of the time. I think I have taken a hurdle here and hope to make some improvement in my playing. These high notes, played correctly, are so aurally beautiful they would bring a tear to a glass eye don't you think? 

UsuallyPickinPlayers Union Member

United States
1690 posts since 10/1/08

07/12/2017 06:20:34 View UsuallyPickin's Photo Albums View UsuallyPickin's Blog Reply with Quote

Congrats ..... that's a big step in fiddling.... R/

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fiddlinsteudel

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2267 posts since 7/12/13

07/12/2017 07:06:38View fiddlinsteudel's MP3 Archive View fiddlinsteudel's Photo Albums Reply with Quote

Good job!

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fujers

United States
4472 posts since 2/14/08

07/12/2017 09:24:08View fujers's MP3 Archive View fujers's Classified Ads View fujers's Photo Albums Reply with Quote

It's kinda fun in third isn't it. While you're there explore. Jerry   

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Lonesome Fiddler

1023 posts since 12/11/08

07/12/2017 10:35:24View Lonesome Fiddler's MP3 Archive View Lonesome Fiddler's Photo Albums Reply with Quote

I've been relentlessly practicing other positions, too.  And lemme tell ya', it can be hard to get those notes to sound good, much less hit them right-on.  I've also gotten as many scowls as grins of approval at old time jams.  I still can't help myself, though.  There's a beautiful new world up there.  Continue on the upward path!


Edited by - Lonesome Fiddler on 07/12/2017 10:36:03

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tpquinn

121 posts since 11/12/16

07/12/2017 13:11:37 Reply with Quote

D-Walker, how long have you been playing? I'm barely over a year and haven't ventured out of first position yet.

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fujers

United States
4472 posts since 2/14/08

07/12/2017 14:05:31View fujers's MP3 Archive View fujers's Classified Ads View fujers's Photo Albums Reply with Quote

Some tips if you don't mind. Playing in first we all can do right..thats where we all began. Going from first to third has it own challenge's....staying up there is a whole new ballgame's.

Playing in third is the same as playing in first just you use a different set of fingers..not hard but to those of you that have never played in third before it could be a challenge..but still not hard

Say. that you play your open E..now run your first finger up the neck on the E string to A note. Now you are in third position. From there you can play the exact same things you played in first..you just have to use a different set of fingers. You can play in D, G, all the chords you want but sometimes you will to use open notes where you played a close note in the first. For some of you your're going to say if it's that hard I don't want to go up there..and some will say..I accept the challenge. But at some point in time..you will use the third position. Jerry

Second position.

  

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Dog Walker

United Kingdom
4 posts since 6/19/17

07/12/2017 16:48:22 Reply with Quote

5 0r 6 years approx. It was going over and over these closed scales that has helped  I think?quote:
Originally posted by tpquinn
 

D-Walker, how long have you been playing? I'm barely over a year and haven't ventured out of first position yet.


 

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Lonesome Fiddler

1023 posts since 12/11/08

07/13/2017 12:58:23View Lonesome Fiddler's MP3 Archive View Lonesome Fiddler's Photo Albums Reply with Quote

fujers.  To me there's one more important factor to consider when changing positions -- intonation.  Son of a gun, the darn spaces between the pitches shrink as you go up the neck!  
 


Edited by - Lonesome Fiddler on 07/13/2017 12:59:41

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fujers

United States
4472 posts since 2/14/08

07/13/2017 13:10:03View fujers's MP3 Archive View fujers's Classified Ads View fujers's Photo Albums Reply with Quote

Yeah they do get smaller don't they...ain't nothing you can't over come though. If you practice getting it..you'll get it..thats what you do now isn't it

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Mojohand40

United States
861 posts since 6/13/11

07/13/2017 13:47:39View Mojohand40's MP3 Archive View Mojohand40's Photo Albums Reply with Quote

I've been messing with third position for four or five months.  It's getting there...but, yeah...tough to get intonation good as the spaces between pitches are indeed tiny up the finger board.  

The best "exercise" I found is just picking a simple tune or two (Lately I've been using "Greensleeves") and playing first in first position, then trying to do it completely in third, matching the pitch from first; then where I can (depending on the tune and key) playing an Octave higher using third position.

As I do this very slowly; I often check my pitch against a tuner.  

It is getting easier; but I gots a ways to go.  It has improved my overall intonation in first position; I notice.

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fujers

United States
4472 posts since 2/14/08

07/13/2017 14:03:18View fujers's MP3 Archive View fujers's Classified Ads View fujers's Photo Albums Reply with Quote

Good for you MoJo. I know it's kinda hard to play in the un known but with time and practice you'll get it. It's just like anything else you do..practice makes perfect right. In time you will see a difference in your playing..I know because I've been there. Jerry

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boxbowPlayers Union Member

United States
2100 posts since 2/3/11

07/13/2017 14:09:44 View boxbow's Photo Albums View boxbow's Blog Reply with Quote

quote:
Originally posted by Mojohand40
 

I've been messing with third position for four or five months.  It's getting there...but, yeah...tough to get intonation good as the spaces between pitches are indeed tiny up the finger board.  

The best "exercise" I found is just picking a simple tune or two (Lately I've been using "Greensleeves") and playing first in first position, then trying to do it completely in third, matching the pitch from first; then where I can (depending on the tune and key) playing an Octave higher using third position.

As I do this very slowly; I often check my pitch against a tuner.  

It is getting easier; but I gots a ways to go.  It has improved my overall intonation in first position; I notice.


Very sensible.  I'll be stealing this one.

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Dave S

United States
692 posts since 10/18/09

07/17/2017 21:29:24 View Dave S's Photo Albums Reply with Quote

A good tune to learn for practicing moving to 3rd position is Brownskin Gal (title varies quite a bit but always a ref. to skin color and "gal") where there's lots of back-and-forth between 1st and 3rd, and it's a very cool tune.

Eck Robertson: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Elu4YHm-e0

Swingized Bob Wills-ish version: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1iIVoeQ2AA​ and note how he gets oriented on the neck for 3rd position -- he first slides up to the D note on the A string

Vi Wickam and color change: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsNk1F9arw8

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