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amwildman

United States
1923 posts
since 12/23/07

06/16/2017 19:36:28 View amwildman's MP3 Archive Reply with Quote

What can be done about these spammers?  It is getting out-of-control.  It is extremely annoying.  IP bans?  Write a script blocking new members from posting keywords 'passport' etc?  Phone the internet hosting service for their assistance?  Buy a software update from your forum software company?  Perhaps a simple virus scan of the forum?

I don't feel it's fair to ask our 1 moderator to delete this excessive trash unless we've exhausted all other possibilities.    

I'm certainly not in charge, nor do I pay the bills, but I think I speak for most members here by asking for a stronger solution.  (there have been at least two posts lately by various members complaining about this exact problem).


Edited by - amwildman on 06/16/2017 19:36:53

Mandogryl

Moderator

United States
2008 posts since 3/25/09

06/17/2017 02:10:35 View Mandogryl's Photo Albums View Mandogryl's Blog Reply with Quote

It is exhausting.

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ChickenMan

United States
3109 posts since 9/26/08

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06/17/2017 11:08:52View ChickenMan's MP3 Archive View ChickenMan's Photo Albums View ChickenMan's Blog Reply with Quote

Do we have a policy of approving initial posts for new members and if not, is that an option? Will that help the situation? I feel for you Stephanie, it's becoming a twice a day multiple post occurrence.

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Mandogryl

Moderator

United States
2008 posts since 3/25/09

06/17/2017 12:34:05 View Mandogryl's Photo Albums View Mandogryl's Blog Reply with Quote

Thanks, it is endless. 

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DougD

United States
8230 posts since 12/2/07

06/17/2017 13:38:38View DougD's MP3 Archive View DougD's Photo Albums Reply with Quote

I know you're working hard on this, Stephanie, but its really a problem for Eric to solve, if he cares about this site.


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DougD

United States
8230 posts since 12/2/07

06/17/2017 13:46:06View DougD's MP3 Archive View DougD's Photo Albums Reply with Quote

By which I mean that its one thing (although annoying) if people want to try and sell viagra or even phony passports or birth certificates, but when people hawk counterfeit money I think this site would be shut down pretty quickly if the proper authorities found out about it.


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schlange

Administrator

United States
542 posts since 3/12/07

06/19/2017 10:28:56 View schlange's Photo Albums View schlange's Blog Send schlange a Yahoo! Message Reply with Quote

If members just report the spam posts right away, the spammer gets locked and the post gets hidden automatically. Seems like the optimal solution to me.

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gapbob

United States
365 posts since 4/20/08

06/19/2017 11:22:10 Send gapbob an AOL message Reply with Quote

I bet.

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Fiddler

United States
3539 posts since 6/22/07

06/19/2017 11:37:42View Fiddler's MP3 Archive View Fiddler's Photo Albums View Fiddler's Blog Reply with Quote

It's a never ending battle. I appreciate all the work that goes into cleaning up the messes!! Thanks!

Several had made suggestions how to prevent this. The current method seems to work, but I'm guessing it keeps someone busy. Here's another suggestion from another forum (profession related). All posts are reviewed by a moderator before posting. The primary function is to block the spam posts or things that are not relevant to the forum. Other than that, there is no censorship.

Again, thanks to everyone who is working behind the scenes.

 

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abinigia

United States
891 posts since 8/27/08

06/19/2017 12:19:29View abinigia's MP3 Archive View abinigia's Photo Albums View abinigia's Blog Reply with Quote

quote:
Originally posted by Fiddler
 

It's a never ending battle. I appreciate all the work that goes into cleaning up the messes!! Thanks!

Several had made suggestions how to prevent this. The current method seems to work, but I'm guessing it keeps someone busy. Here's another suggestion from another forum (profession related). All posts are reviewed by a moderator before posting. The primary function is to block the spam posts or things that are not relevant to the forum. Other than that, there is no censorship.

Again, thanks to everyone who is working behind the scenes.

 


Other sites use a probation period for new members. New members could be denied the ability to post links, pictures, etc. for a couple weeks, and a certain number of posts could be required too before the account is unlocked. Either way, I don't see what's so exhausting about dealing with it. Can't the administrator check the site daily and delete spammers accounts?" Isn't' that just a few mouse clicks?


Edited by - abinigia on 06/19/2017 12:19:59

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schlange

Administrator

United States
542 posts since 3/12/07

06/19/2017 12:31:53 View schlange's Photo Albums View schlange's Blog Send schlange a Yahoo! Message Reply with Quote

Again--if members just report any spam posts, the accounts will be automatically locked and posts hidden. Easy peasy!

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Fiddler

United States
3539 posts since 6/22/07

06/19/2017 12:40:48View Fiddler's MP3 Archive View Fiddler's Photo Albums View Fiddler's Blog Reply with Quote

Thanks, Eric!

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Mandogryl

Moderator

United States
2008 posts since 3/25/09

06/19/2017 14:16:01 View Mandogryl's Photo Albums View Mandogryl's Blog Reply with Quote

All right. I'll let the forum software handle all of it from now on. I won't bother to delete the hidden threads.

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amwildman

United States
1923 posts since 12/23/07

06/19/2017 14:42:40View amwildman's MP3 Archive Reply with Quote

Optimal for whom? Why should I take the time to report spammers? I would never invite guests over to my place and expect them to clean up my messes. That is just plain rude. And it's just going to drive guests away.

I'm not sure how badly I want to keep visiting here. Especally when it's now my(our) job to report spam 10+ times per day.

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boxbowPlayers Union Member

United States
2100 posts since 2/3/11

06/20/2017 04:08:21 View boxbow's Photo Albums View boxbow's Blog Reply with Quote

Think of it as a cooperative effort. 

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Tobus

United States
203 posts since 5/7/15

06/20/2017 06:38:57 View Tobus's Photo Albums Reply with Quote

quote:
Originally posted by schlange
 

Again--if members just report any spam posts, the accounts will be automatically locked and posts hidden. Easy peasy!


Right now when I go to the "active topics" list, I see 9 spam posts.  When I click on them, I get a message that they are hidden pending moderator action.  But if they're hidden, why am I seeing their titles in the list of posts?

I have been a moderator and/or admin on many forums over the years, and lived through lots of spam attacks (getting into hundreds of such posts per day).  It sucks, and I know how much work it is to clean it up!  I don't mind helping out here by reporting them when I see them, as long as they disappear from the list when that happens.

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amwildman

United States
1923 posts since 12/23/07

06/20/2017 06:51:20View amwildman's MP3 Archive Reply with Quote

quote:
Originally posted by boxbow

Think of it as a cooperative effort. 





You missed my point. This has nothing to do with cooperation and everything to do with responsibility.

We have a majorly abent owner who comes here once a year to sell -shirts. He also accepts donations, gets ad revenue, and charges money for instrument sales. The owner of a revenue generating website should not expect unpaid non-volunteers to clean up the place.

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Mandogryl

Moderator

United States
2008 posts since 3/25/09

06/20/2017 07:45:25 View Mandogryl's Photo Albums View Mandogryl's Blog Reply with Quote

You'll be seeing a lot more. The sight owner said that we have forum software will hide, and the accts will be hidden, easy peasy. I have been dutifully cleaning the sight up every day and even locking accts before they have a chance to spam. I will let the site owner's software handle it from now on.

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abinigia

United States
891 posts since 8/27/08

06/20/2017 08:35:05View abinigia's MP3 Archive View abinigia's Photo Albums View abinigia's Blog Reply with Quote

quote:
Originally posted by Mandogryl
 

You'll be seeing a lot more. The sight owner said that we have forum software will hide, and the accts will be hidden, easy peasy. I have been dutifully cleaning the sight up every day and even locking accts before they have a chance to spam. I will let the site owner's software handle it from now on.


Really, make it harder to establish a new account. Check out Maestronet. There are rules to getting your account established. Once it is you're good to go. I've never seen spam there. It is really very sloppy to run this site so easily open to spamming. It makes the page look very ugly and uninviting to have all that crap on it. Look at it right now. Ugh.

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Mandogryl

Moderator

United States
2008 posts since 3/25/09

06/20/2017 09:45:19 View Mandogryl's Photo Albums View Mandogryl's Blog Reply with Quote

Yep, pretty bad. I didn't clean anything up, since the forum software is good enough. It is too easy here to jump in with a password and username. Most Facebook groups you need to be permitted in. And maestronet. 


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BanjoBrad

United States
2748 posts since 6/21/07

06/20/2017 10:02:06View BanjoBrad's MP3 Archive View BanjoBrad's Photo Albums View BanjoBrad's Blog Reply with Quote

If the locked messages bother you when you come to the site, you can try using the "display recent posts" option in forum viewing.  This will show the locked threads the first time you access the site, but the next time you will not see them, as they will not have been updated since your previous visit.

I agree, Stephanie, that you shouldn't need to physically delete these posts, but I'm not sure that Eric has software that does the auto-delete function.  I just logged in again on another tab and notice that the locked threads are still there.

Thanks for all the work you do attempting to keep this site moderated - if I had the time I might still be a moderator, but I get on here maybe once a day.

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schlange

Administrator

United States
542 posts since 3/12/07

06/20/2017 11:20:16 View schlange's Photo Albums View schlange's Blog Send schlange a Yahoo! Message Reply with Quote

quote:
Originally posted by Tobus
 
quote:
Originally posted by schlange
 

Again--if members just report any spam posts, the accounts will be automatically locked and posts hidden. Easy peasy!


Right now when I go to the "active topics" list, I see 9 spam posts.  When I click on them, I get a message that they are hidden pending moderator action.  But if they're hidden, why am I seeing their titles in the list of posts?

I have been a moderator and/or admin on many forums over the years, and lived through lots of spam attacks (getting into hundreds of such posts per day).  It sucks, and I know how much work it is to clean it up!  I don't mind helping out here by reporting them when I see them, as long as they disappear from the list when that happens.


Ah--now this, sir is a bug! We'll fix it right away. Strange that nobody has reported this before...?

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schlange

Administrator

United States
542 posts since 3/12/07

06/20/2017 11:26:36 View schlange's Photo Albums View schlange's Blog Send schlange a Yahoo! Message Reply with Quote

We just fixed the Active Topics page so it won't show hidden (spam) posts. Only moderators see those on other pages, FYI.

Reporting a post as spam takes all of 5 seconds... we moved to this model years ago because it took the load off of the moderators, and helped us catch spammers more quickly.

It's not the only measure we have in place to stop spammers, either--there's a lot going on behind the scenes as well.

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Tobus

United States
203 posts since 5/7/15

06/20/2017 12:42:07 View Tobus's Photo Albums Reply with Quote

Thanks, Eric!

I'll be sure to report any spam posts as soon as I see them to help y'all out.

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MikeM70

United Kingdom
159 posts since 10/28/14

06/20/2017 12:51:40 View MikeM70's Photo Albums Reply with Quote

duly noted boss, my report spam finger is ready and waiting.

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BanjoBrad

United States
2748 posts since 6/21/07

06/20/2017 15:22:32View BanjoBrad's MP3 Archive View BanjoBrad's Photo Albums View BanjoBrad's Blog Reply with Quote

Thanks, Eric, this has always been a bug-a-boo for me, so when I was moding here I deleted them, but this fix will sure lighten Mandogryl's load!

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