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swampash  Joined 11/12/2008 19 Posts |
08/19/2012 18:50:41
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I have been using the adjustable tail guts which are actually nylon rods with brass threaded knurled nuts. The most recent brand I have used is Kohr which I buy from Howard Core.
I don't really get how they are adjustable since I have had to both glue the nut to the rod and melt the end to a round ball after the length has been determined with setup playing and any subsequent readjusting.
These things will strip off their threads in short order if not made permanent.. or so has been my experience.
At first I used to just melt the end over into a ball but these inevitably broke off as the nut began to strip the threads from tension, but now I put the smallest dot of gorilla glue into the thread when I have the exact length known and also melt over the excess.
Has anyone else noticed that these adjustable require a permanent bond rendering them non-adjustable?
What do you do for tail guts?
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transplant
 United States
Joined 9/6/2008 2061 Posts |
08/19/2012 19:26:48
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I haven't had that problem with the tailguts that come with Wittner tailpieces, nor with "Sacconi" brand adjustable nylon tailguts I get from International Violin in Baltimore. (They call them "tailpiece adjusters.")
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SamY
 United States
Joined 12/23/2011 462 Posts |
08/19/2012 19:35:50
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Have not had your problem with the 5 or 6 Wittner Ultra tailpieces I have installed. |
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eric marten
 United States
Joined 5/18/2010 598 Posts |
08/19/2012 23:11:15
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Ditto - the above - I've used both Sacconi and Wittner tailpiece adjustors on about 7 or 8 violins, and the threads haven't worn out, even after years of use.
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giannaviolins
 United States
Joined 6/24/2007 3024 Posts |
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I've only seen that issue with inexpensive imitation tailguts on cheapie violins.
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modon
 United States
Joined 2/16/2012 430 Posts |
08/20/2012 22:19:59
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I routinely clip the extra off and then mushroom the end with a hot blade. |
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KCFiddles
 United States
Joined 7/1/2007 4637 Posts |
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We set up hundreds upon hundreds of new instruments every year, and don't have any appreciable problem with nylon tailguts. I generally use Sacconi or Wittner, but all our rental instruments come with Chinese tailguts, and they work just fine. Occasionally we will see a handful of bad ones, but not often.
BTW, I like to be able to adjust the afterlength after everything settles in well, and even later on, so I don't glue or mushroom the tailguts.
I did get my first instrument back last week with a tailgut failure, and it had been superglued when it was set up a couple of years back, but failed anyway. The thread diameter was clearly too small, so as a QC measure, I will reject any tailguts where the fit of the nut seems suspiciously loose.
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swampash
 Joined 11/12/2008 19 Posts |
08/21/2012 15:56:32
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i double checked my stock, they are all Sacconi, The Kohr word got in there somehow, yup cheep chinese all righty |
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Learner
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Joined 3/5/2010 953 Posts |
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I've installed and reinstalled several adjustable nylon tailguts, some Wittner, some no-name. I've also gone back and readjusted tailguts. I've never had any slip, strip, or move on their own in any way. I've also never glued or melted them in place.
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Learner
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Joined 3/5/2010 953 Posts |
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I've installed and reinstalled several adjustable nylon tailguts, some Wittner, some no-name. I've also gone back and readjusted tailguts. I've never had any slip, strip, or move on their own in any way. I've also never glued or melted them in place.
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Learner
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Joined 3/5/2010 953 Posts |
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I've installed and reinstalled several adjustable nylon tailguts, some Wittner, some no-name. I've also gone back and readjusted tailguts. I've never had any slip, strip, or move on their own in any way. I've also never glued or melted them in place.
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giannaviolins
 United States
Joined 6/24/2007 3024 Posts |
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I have had a couple of cheap cheap Asian ones fail, ones I did not put on. That's it. My issue is more them locking up to prevent adjustment!
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captainhook
 United States
Joined 6/26/2007 400 Posts |
08/24/2012 16:56:24
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I've also seen a couple of cheap ones fail, but the problem I see much more often is that the recess in the (wooden) tailpiece does not allow room for the nuts to seat properly. That puts stress on both the tailcord and the tailpiece, sometimes resulting in a broken tailpiece. The right kind of gouge fixes the problem quickly. |
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