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swampash

Joined 11/12/2008
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08/19/2012 18:50:41  Reply with Quote

I have been using the adjustable tail guts which are actually nylon rods with brass threaded knurled nuts. The most recent brand I have used is Kohr which I buy  from Howard Core.

I don't really get how they are adjustable since I have had to both glue the nut to the rod and melt the end to a round ball after the length has been determined with setup playing and any subsequent readjusting.

These things will strip off their threads in short order if not made permanent.. or so has been my experience.

At first I used to just melt the end over into a ball but these inevitably broke off as the nut began to strip the threads from tension, but now I put the smallest dot of gorilla glue into the thread when I have the exact length known and also melt over the excess.

Has anyone else noticed that these adjustable require a permanent bond rendering them non-adjustable?

What do you do for tail guts?

transplant

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08/19/2012 19:26:48  View transplant's Photo Albums  Reply with Quote

I haven't had that problem with the tailguts that come with Wittner tailpieces, nor with "Sacconi" brand adjustable nylon tailguts I get from International Violin in Baltimore. (They call them "tailpiece adjusters.")

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SamYPlayers Union Member

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08/19/2012 19:35:50  Reply with Quote

Have not had your problem with the 5 or 6 Wittner Ultra tailpieces I have installed.

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eric marten

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08/19/2012 23:11:15  Send eric marten an AOL message  Reply with Quote

Ditto - the above -  I've used both Sacconi and Wittner tailpiece adjustors on about 7 or 8 violins, and the threads haven't worn out, even after years of use. 

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giannaviolins

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08/20/2012 00:36:00  View giannaviolins's Classified Ads  View giannaviolins's Photo Albums  Send giannaviolins a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote

I've only seen that issue with inexpensive imitation tailguts on cheapie violins.

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modon

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08/20/2012 22:19:59  View modon's MP3 Archive  Reply with Quote

I routinely clip the extra off and then mushroom the end with a hot blade.

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KCFiddles

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08/21/2012 09:49:33  View KCFiddles's MP3 Archive  View KCFiddles's Photo Albums  View KCFiddles's Blog  Reply with Quote

We set up hundreds upon hundreds of new instruments every year, and don't have any appreciable problem with nylon tailguts. I generally use Sacconi or Wittner, but all our rental instruments come with Chinese tailguts, and they work just fine. Occasionally we will see a handful of bad ones, but not often.

BTW, I like to be able to adjust the afterlength after everything settles in well, and even later on, so I don't glue or mushroom the tailguts.

I did get my first instrument back last week with a tailgut failure, and it had been superglued when it was set up a couple of years back, but failed anyway. The thread diameter was clearly too small, so as a QC measure, I will reject any tailguts where the fit of the nut seems suspiciously loose.

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swampash

Joined 11/12/2008
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08/21/2012 15:56:32  Reply with Quote

i double checked my stock, they are all Sacconi, The Kohr word got in there somehow, yup cheep chinese all righty

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Learner

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08/23/2012 20:25:31  View Learner's Photo Albums  View Learner's Blog  Reply with Quote


I've installed and reinstalled several adjustable nylon tailguts, some Wittner, some no-name.  I've also gone back and readjusted tailguts.  I've never had any slip, strip, or move on their own in any way.  I've also never glued or melted them in place.


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Learner

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08/24/2012 03:33:38  View Learner's Photo Albums  View Learner's Blog  Reply with Quote


I've installed and reinstalled several adjustable nylon tailguts, some Wittner, some no-name.  I've also gone back and readjusted tailguts.  I've never had any slip, strip, or move on their own in any way.  I've also never glued or melted them in place.


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Learner

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08/24/2012 03:33:51  View Learner's Photo Albums  View Learner's Blog  Reply with Quote


I've installed and reinstalled several adjustable nylon tailguts, some Wittner, some no-name.  I've also gone back and readjusted tailguts.  I've never had any slip, strip, or move on their own in any way.  I've also never glued or melted them in place.


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giannaviolins

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08/24/2012 05:26:24  View giannaviolins's Classified Ads  View giannaviolins's Photo Albums  Send giannaviolins a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote

I have had a couple of cheap cheap Asian ones fail, ones I did not put on.  That's it.  My issue is more them locking up to prevent adjustment!

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captainhook

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08/24/2012 16:56:24  View captainhook's Photo Albums  Reply with Quote

I've also seen a couple of cheap ones fail, but the problem I see much more often is that the recess in the (wooden) tailpiece does not allow room for the nuts to seat properly. That puts stress on both the tailcord and the tailpiece, sometimes resulting in a broken tailpiece. The right kind of gouge fixes the problem quickly.

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