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modon  United States
Joined 2/16/2012 429 Posts |
06/19/2012 10:04:14
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I just read an excellent post put up by giannaviolins about fiddle set up.
http://www.darntonviolins.com/violinmagazine/book/setup.pdf
It raises a couple questions for me and hopefully the more experienced luthiers can offer their opinion. First... what kind of vise or dog set up do you use when planing the very small fiddle parts? I know ebony doesnt cut freely even with a very sharp plane and the blank must be held secure somehow. Second question... is any advantage lost by doing major shaping by sanding or grinding instead of cutting? I realise that for very delicate work a super sharp knife will do a superior job of shaping and will leave a smooth, finished surface... but when you're 'hogging away' the extra wood in initial shaping, is there any tonal reason not to do so?
My trade (horologist) is loaded with techniques that are more based on tradition than anything else. The idea being that a skilled craftsman will do things the hard way simply because HE CAN! And I find that admirable for sure... but not being a proffesional luthier myself, I wonder if anything is lost by grinding instead of cutting.
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kubasa
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Joined 9/25/2007 300 Posts |
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For little ebony parts like the nut and the saddle, I usually just hold the parts in my fingers while wearing gloves. I haven't come up with any other good method. The gloves are important though. As for the fingerboards, I use a jig like this to hold the fingerboard for planing and prepping the top of it.

For planing the underside of the fingerboard, I just flip my plane upside down in my vise and push the fingerboard over the plane rather than the plane over the fingerboard (again, wearing gloves). It works for me. As for major roughing out, I don't know what to say. I've heard of people using all kinds of power tools to do the job. Personally, I stick with my hand tools because I'm more afraid of what I might do with a powertool!
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modon
 United States
Joined 2/16/2012 429 Posts |
06/19/2012 12:10:32
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What I've been doing is to hold little parts in a 'flanging tool'. A vise grip with wide 'lips' normally used to bend sheet metal. Then I apply it to a belt sander (gasp!) till the piece is roughly the right size and shape, finishing up with files and sandpaper and/or a sharp knife. I need to invest in some smaller planes tho. The smallest one I have is a block plane. |
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KCFiddles
 United States
Joined 7/1/2007 4635 Posts |
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Ebony cuts really easily if your tools are sharp. Sharp means sharp enough you don't even notice when they cut you. One test is that they should shave hairs off your arm with no pressure at all, and the hairs should just sort of pop off when they are cut. Plane blade should be equally sharp, set fine, with a fine mouth if possible. I have a couple of Stanley adjustable mouth block planes for bridges and general work, and a couple of old ratty 103s for fingerboards, one of them with a high bevel angle for gnarly ebony fingerboards.
I've got a false edge of pine screwed to my bench, and there are a number of notches and grooves cut into it for holding things, and a number of little backing blocks glued to it to hold things against while I am working on them, but sharp tools are the key.
I find I just can't do clean, accurate work by sanding or grinding, not that my work is all that great anyway. It would be worse if I didn't use knife and plane. Can't imagine trying to do good work with a machine, and I spent a good part of my life making my living with power tools. In this case, hand tools are clearly faster and easier.
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giannaviolins
 United States
Joined 6/24/2007 3024 Posts |
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Custom bench stop - as Woodwiz describes above - and moving the part against the plane, with the plane in a bench vise. Or glue the oversize piece on and then shape.
Ebony works easily, but does indeed require sharp tools, understanding of grain effects, and excellent technique.
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FiddleDoug
 United States
Joined 1/25/2008 591 Posts |
06/20/2012 03:51:21
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If you're using your good planes, knives, or chisels, you don't want to use anything with metal jaws, or protruding screws. One slip, and you'll have to spend a lot of time re-sharpening the tool.
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Dave Richard
 Joined 8/14/2009 24 Posts |
06/21/2012 03:53:51
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The book on violin restoration by Weisshar pictures (at least)two very nifty jigs: one for holding a bridge while hand planing to final thickness, the other a simple jig for holding flat thin pieces or stock for hand planing. I know the book is expensive- try to get it through your library.
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Edited by - Dave Richard on 06/21/2012 03:55:28 |
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