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Playing Since: 1973
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Oldtimers: Tommy Jarrell, Franklin George, Earl Collins, Melvin Wine, William Stepp, Bunt Stephens, Luther Strong, Posey Rorer.
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New Experiment: Jade Rosin!!!
Friday, August 10, 2012 @8:14:11 PM
I stopped by the music store to pick up some guitar strings for my steel string acoustic.
I nearly always look to see what they have new as far as fiddles, rosins, and bows. Nothing new in fiddles except 2 more Knilling 4KF Bucharests, brand new. I already have 3 of those, so I don't think I need any more!
But, lo and behold, they had just gotten a bunch of Jade rosin in. Not too expensive either. So I bought some, haven't tried it yet, but I'll try it soon. Should be interesting... first new higher quality rosin I've tried in a while. Reilly-Byrne said it wasn't TOO grabby. Medium grab sounds good!
My more recently purchased Knilling 4KF ("Carthy") has a slighter longer scale length due to a more pronounced tilt back on the bridge. So I've been using my heavier bows because the strings feel stiffer. And I had backed off on using the grabby Kaplan Premium with it and was just using the Becker Dark.
I just wiped down the strings and bow hairs with a clean (non-treated) tissue, then applied the Jade on first one, then the other.
It's definitely playable. The attack phase of the notes seems slightly delayed and rounder sounding. The EQ of the tone of the rest of the bowed notes is different, too. Less really high treble. Not a really deep bass, but what is there seems more focused.
The sound and feel seems well suited to Irish tunes. Hey... it's GREEN!!!
I played with the Jade on Carthy's bows some more before going to the folk jam. I got an inspiration to tweak one area on the seams that seems to have excess glue. I ran a sharp point across the ridge of glue to get it a bit less tight sounding. Somehow the combination of the heavy wood bow, Jade Rosin, and that one tweak to the seem made Carthy SING- so well, that I ALMOST took it to the jam instead of Booker.
Once again, I find that each fiddle needs to be treated as an individual with different taste- even if they are the same model from the same factory!
I tried using the Jade as a base rosin with Becker Dark student rosin on top... that might have potential!
on “New Experiment: Jade Rosin!!!”
Saturday, August 11, 2012 @1:33:32 PM
Green rosin. Wow, what will they come up with next. I thought the colored guitar strings were out there.
I personally like the rosins that give you the tone the milisecond the hair touches the string. Kind of hard to work with when you jump over a string but I am partial to the fast tunes where you need that kind of grab. I bet Jade would be good for Irish and slower mellow things, though. I get what you mean by "focused". I need to get another bow for a less grabby rosin..
Our closest music store is pretty far away so I don't get to go up there very often. When I do, though, I buy all the strings, fingerpicks, books, things I want but don't really need, etc I need for a year. Sometimes I take my 'jos to get restrung (they are a real pain to do by yourself, so the "old man" [the luthier] and me tackle them together). They don't have much to speak of in violins, or banjos either. Mostly a guitar place.
...Sure you don't need another Knilling?
Saturday, August 11, 2012 @4:29:30 PM
I liked the jade at first. But after a week or so my bow was so gummy I had to wash it.
Saturday, August 11, 2012 @7:03:15 PM
Bailey, I normally like that immediate attack too. But it IS nice to have something that will just sound mellow without having to try hard to sound mellow.
The two newer Knillings have quite contrasting sounds- Carthy has a deep woody sound, and Booker has a very pure, clear sound, with very little of that woodiness. I like them both for different things.
Expecially after the last tweak to Carthy. I DID look at and tried to play one of the new Knillings, but they didn't have a rosined bow in the store! The weird thing was... it is dated 2004!!!! So while it's brand new, it's actually OLDER than my 2005 (Carthy) and 2006 Knillings! NOS- new old stock!!! Probably Knilling hasn't been selling enough of them because of the economy being so bad!.
BJ- thanks for the input.... I wonder if the Jade will work as a "layered" rosin... maybe a dusty rosin on top of it would cut the gumminess. That's probably also a cue NOT to overrosin with the Jade!
Saturday, August 11, 2012 @8:03:24 PM
Funny how the same models all sound so different. But it just goes to prove that every instrument is unique.
New old stock. Curious. But you know that it has been sitting like a VW Bug in a garage, and when you try to start it up, it don't work. I'm wary of buying those types.
...They sell violins but have not a rosined bow. I do not believe I would be buying from them, no sir...
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