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Phyddlyr - Posted - 07/07/2009:  10:01:12


Is the chicken tune universal phenomena?

Is some cat in Mathura making his Sarangi go bak-bak-bakaw this very moment?

I wonder…

Chicken tunes could be divided into more than one category:

1) Tunes that sound like chickens

2) Tunes that are about chickens

Tunes in the first category also belong to the second but tunes in the second don’t necessarily belong in the first.

I’m interested in the ones where the fiddle makes a sound like a chicken.

My list for the first category;

Cluck Old Hen
Chicken Reel
Cacklin’ Hen

There must be more!!!

Does anybody know more tunes that make any kind of chicken sound???



Edited by - Phyddlyr on 07/07/2009 10:20:24

tiquose - Posted - 07/07/2009:  10:05:11


Clark Kessinger's Chicken in the Barnyard

Janet
"Curiosity killed the cat but satisfaction brought it back." -my grandmother, Bertha Morgan Nelson

rastewart - Posted - 07/07/2009:  10:09:27


Well, thanks. Now I'm trying to get my work done with the Chicken Dance hammering through what's left of my brain. Dada-dada-dada-dum, dada-dada-dada-dum, dada-dada-dada-daht dah ...

Sigh. Sorry, I'm scratching around for a tune of the kind you're looking for, but at the moment I'm just a dumb cluck.

Rich


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Phyddlyr - Posted - 07/07/2009:  10:28:09


I checked out "Chicken in the Barnyard" on the jukebox posted by dsreiner, great tune, great fiddling.
Sounds like a variation of Cacklin' Hen to me.

Phyddlyr - Posted - 07/07/2009:  10:49:04


Chicken Dance has a chicken rhythm which might be another chicken tune catagory!

fiddlepogo - Posted - 07/07/2009:  16:07:39


quote:
Originally posted by Phyddlyr

Is the chicken tune universal phenomena?




I think it's because most of the composers of the words and tunes were subsistence farmers, and subsistence farming can produce spotty results in terms of food supply.
There were times when belts had to be tightened.
Hungry people think about food, might write songs about food.
This also accounts for songs about rabbits, groundhogs, and possums.
And chickens are just about an ideal reserve protein supply- some lay eggs and the ones that don't could be dinner,
and they can turn bug protein into something more appetizing.

You've listed the chicken tunes I know about, and I only do two of 'em.
But I have noticed that BOWING plays a part in getting the chicken sounds right-
chickens SYNCOPATE!!!
Bak-bak-bak-KAW!!!

So you need a syncopated bowing to make it sound right.
Guess which one THAT would be...

Michael- Old Time 90% of the time!

"It''s hard to take yourself seriously when you''re singing about chickens!"

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OTJunky - Posted - 07/07/2009:  17:14:32


Charlie Daniels seems to think there's a tune called "Chickens in the Bread Pan, Scratching out Dough".

Anybody ever heard it?

--OTJ
"I can barely fiddle on four strings. Why would I want five?"

OTJunky - Posted - 07/07/2009:  17:20:24


Oh - and just did a search of the Juke Box.

There I see "Crow Black Chicken" - oldtimer has a great recording of it on his music page. I think Rayna Gellert recorded it?

And there's a great B-minor Irish tune called "Jennie's Chickens" that's traditionally played after a multi-variant rendition of "Bonnie Kate".

Though I guess "Jennie's Chickens" is really a modal tune in B Dorian - and I'm not even really sure it's Irish since I think "Bonnie Kate" is of Scottish origin though it's widely played by a lot of Irish fiddlers.

Somebody help me!!!

--OTJ
"I can barely fiddle on four strings. Why would I want five?"

Phyddlyr - Posted - 07/07/2009:  22:57:01


I play Cluck Old Hen and Chicken Reel, I'm still trying to get my version of Cacklin' Hen established. Every time I hear another fiddler do it I think of something else I want to add or change.

I would guess the syncopated bowing is required for Chicken Reel.

I believe "chicken in the bread pan scratchin' out dough" is a lyric preceding "granny will your dog bite lawd child no" in the tune of the same name.

Crow Black Chicken is a great tune but I think it would be in the category of tunes about chickens.

I found a raucous version of Jennie's Chickens on youtube and I could detect some chickenish sounds in the A part and C part, very cool tune. The chicken kind of has an accent so I think it's the first cross cultural world chicken tune for the list. Here's the url youtube.com/watch?v=IVBE5KbzSDE



Edited by - Phyddlyr on 07/07/2009 22:59:50

bj - Posted - 07/08/2009:  05:34:09


Just thought I'd mention that the one OT jam I sometimes attend has a moratorium on these tunes. When informed of it, I suggested to them that they should have their OT licence revoked . . .

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carlb - Posted - 07/08/2009:  05:37:29


The Chicken Polka (in D and G) can have chicken sounds in the G part. A tune from Jehile Kirkhuff:
homepage.mac.com/edwardberbaum...Polka.mp3

Carl


Edited by - carlb on 07/10/2009 06:19:01

TomGlos - Posted - 07/08/2009:  07:30:19



"The Hens' March to the Midden" - great Shetland tune with bow "clucks" in the B music.
Dave Swarbrick playing it here
youtube.com/watch?v=gnOxEHEI0Sg
Very dated 1980's clip!

(Is "midden" a word you folks use West of the Atlantic? Rubbish heap, compost heap, dung heap etc. The word has become a bit archaic in this country.)

Swedish "Chicken Polka" here (with real chickens) but played on diatonic accordion
youtube.com/watch?v=Qxz3TUqDRa0

Tom

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Phyddlyr - Posted - 07/08/2009:  08:59:50


If you ban chicken tunes what's next, whiskey tunes? Heck I wouldn't have anything left to play except songs about rabbits. And I don't know how to make rabbit sounds on my fiddle.

Chicken Polka definitely has chicken sounds, I had to get rid of the greater than at the end of carlbs' link then it worked fine. Great fiddling.

The "Hens' March to the Midden" chicken barely has an accent, I can understand him perfectly.

Here we use midden as a measure of time as in "give me a midden while I finish my beer".

I accidently let my friend see the Swedish Chicken Polka Video... and we had just gotten him to start leaving the accordian at home. Thanks!!


Edited by - Phyddlyr on 07/08/2009 09:00:24

rastewart - Posted - 07/08/2009:  09:05:12


quote:
Originally posted by fiddlepogo

But I have noticed that BOWING plays a part in getting the chicken sounds right-
chickens SYNCOPATE!!!
Bak-bak-bak-KAW!!!

So you need a syncopated bowing to make it sound right.
Guess which one THAT would be...


Ah, Michael! What would this place be without you?

It's hard to take yourself seriously when you're learning shuffles from chickens!

~Rich


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... in savage and impenetrable darkness with chaos and pandemonium before me, and the demon madness of that night-baying viol behind me.--H.P. Lovecraft

rastewart - Posted - 07/09/2009:  08:27:44


And going back to the original question, are chicken tunes universal?

Well, this morning on the way to work, I heard three of 'em on WFMT, our classical station:

"La Poule" by Jean-Philippe Rameau
"La Gallina" by Ottorino Respighi
"La Gallina, Cakewalk" by Louis-Marie Gottschalk

(all meaning "The Hen")

Rich


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... in savage and impenetrable darkness with chaos and pandemonium before me, and the demon madness of that night-baying viol behind me.--H.P. Lovecraft

Phyddlyr - Posted - 07/09/2009:  09:43:08


"La Poule" by Jean-Philippe Rameau
"La Gallina" by Ottorino Respighi
"La Gallina, Cakewalk" by Louis-Marie Gottschalk

Do any of these pieces have classical chickens sounds?

bj - Posted - 07/09/2009:  13:56:12


La Boc
La Boc
La Boc CAK!

** said with dew claw extended extremely as if it were a pinkie at teatime ""

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mudbug - Posted - 07/09/2009:  15:48:07


Even country and rock guitarists do " chicken picken". Living in the country, people say and do things to amuse themselves with things that they find funny. I've raised chickens and they can be very amusing. I can do a pretty good imitation of chickens, ducks, pigs and cows ( vocally, not on fiddle). Sometimes I'll do it to see if they answer me back, sometimes just to make myself laugh. I can see how this would translate to instruments, and how audiences would get a chuckle out of it. Heck, I still chuckle every time at a good rendition of "Listen to the Mockingbird".

David M. - Posted - 07/10/2009:  06:45:07


James Bryan plays a great tune called "Chicken in the Snowbank". Great tune.

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robinja - Posted - 08/07/2009:  13:00:43


How did I miss this thread? My favorite chicken tune is "Chickens Don't Roost Too High". There's a great version on the CD "Possum Up a Gum Stump" by Alabama fiddler Leonard Keith. Earl Johnson from Georgia also recorded, but I think he might have called it something slightly different. He sings some crazy lyrics to his version.

Maybe one day I'll be able to play it half-way decently!

Judy

P.S. On that Possum Up a Gum Stump CD, you get your money's worth of animal tunes, the title track, in addition to "Turkey Foot", "Flop Eared Mule", "Chicken in the Barnyard", and "Coon On a Rail". In all seriousness, it is a great CD with a great collection of tunes.

Fiddler - Posted - 08/11/2009:  05:38:14


And don't forget "Old Lady's Peckin' Chickens" with pizzicato in the B part to simulate clucking. Great tune!! (I think this tune comes from either Chirps or the Allen Street String Band - and where they got it, who knows.)

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woodwiz - Posted - 08/11/2009:  05:53:11


quote:
Originally posted by Fiddler

And don't forget "Old Lady's Peckin' Chickens" with pizzicato in the B part to simulate clucking. Great tune!! (I think this tune comes from either Chirps or the Allen Street String Band - and where they got it, who knows.)



IIRC, Dwight Lamb had an album my that name, with that song on it. Haven't heard it anywhere else.

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Fiddler - Posted - 08/12/2009:  06:51:16


Thanks -- I really never knew the "true" source for the tune and it is very likely like Dwight Lamb is the source. It is a fun tune to play!

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woodwiz - Posted - 08/12/2009:  07:01:32


Well, it seems that Lamb grew up around fiddlers, and that he learned a lot of his repertory from Bob Walter and Cyril Stinnett. so I don't really know where it came from. The tape I have, "Old Ladies Pickin' Chickens" consists of tunes recorded in the late 60's and early 70's. Charlie Walden has also recorded it, among others. Might well be a Bob Walters tune.

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bj - Posted - 08/12/2009:  08:34:23


There's one in the FHO Archive from user oldcitico, aka Matt Downer, called "Rise When the Rooster Crows". He's collected tunes out in the field so I suspect it's a legitimate Chicken tune, though it's actually more of a song.

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DougD - Posted - 08/12/2009:  09:07:00


"I'll Rise When the Rooster Crows" was recorded commercially in the 1920's by both Uncle Dave Macon and the Binkley Brothers Dixie Clodhoppers. mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid...ssages=11

There also "Who Broke the Lock on the Henhouse Door." How could I forget that one?

Both are old minstrel show songs I believe.

Fethelar - Posted - 08/12/2009:  10:29:11


Poulees Huppees (Crested Hens) by Gilles Chabenat.
Doesn't sound like it has ANYTHING to do with a chicken but that's what he named it!!!




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fiddleman - Posted - 08/13/2009:  04:32:52


John Hartford did one about a chicken-Chicken, Oh Chicken

BanjoBrad - Posted - 08/13/2009:  10:21:10


quote:
Originally posted by fiddleman

John Hartford did one about a chicken-Chicken, Oh Chicken



Is that the one named "Shanghai Rooster" on Hamilton Ironworks?

"Chicken, oh chicken, better go to layin' pretty soon.
Chicken, oh chicken, better go to roost behind the moon.
'Cause a ten dollar bill for a Shanghai is way to high for me."


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Edited by - BanjoBrad on 08/13/2009 10:21:44

Fethelar - Posted - 08/13/2009:  16:46:36


Yup! I do believe that's the one Brad!

Edit: I spoke too soon...Open mouth, insert foot... It IS actually titled "Chicken Oh Chicken" on the CD...
He states in the liner notes: "We've heard of an old tune called SHANGHAI CHICKEN but don't know anything about it..."



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Edited by - Fethelar on 08/13/2009 16:56:26

BanjoBrad - Posted - 08/13/2009:  18:10:29


Okay, I didn't check the liner notes, just went by the words.


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ChickenMan - Posted - 09/15/2009:  11:24:26


Old Hen Cackled (John Morgan Salyer from Digital Library of Appalachia)
aca-dla.org/cdm4/item_viewer.p...385&REC=4
I've seen this title given to Cacklin' Hen, but this one is definitely a different tune.

Somebody Else is Getting it Where the Chicken got the A-X-E (from the Henry Reed Collection)
memory.loc.gov/afc/afcreed/137...03b04.mp3
From the website: "This jaunty air was a popular song first published in 1892, as 'Where the chicken got the axe.'"

Chickens are a great entertainment AND are very regular food producers - an egg every 25 hours or so every season but winter, where things slow down without supplemental light.
A wise investment for subsistence farmers .

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robinja - Posted - 09/15/2009:  16:14:27


SugarintheGourd.com is playing mostly chicken tunes today. I've probably heard Cluck Old Hen about 25 times. They're throwing in some sheep and goats for good measure.

bj - Posted - 09/16/2009:  07:14:41


Chicken On A Limb, Homer and Calvin Chastain, and Don Holder, from the Pine Breeze Collection.

jubileearts.org/PineBreeze/chi...alimb.wma

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phicks - Posted - 09/23/2009:  15:25:03


There is a nice Kentucky fiddle tune called Struttin' Rooster.
Micheal Feagan plays it. it has a harmonic rooster scratch in part 2.

quote:
Originally posted by Phyddlyr

Is the chicken tune universal phenomena?

Is some cat in Mathura making his Sarangi go bak-bak-bakaw this very moment?

I wonder…

Chicken tunes could be divided into more than one category:

1) Tunes that sound like chickens

2) Tunes that are about chickens

Tunes in the first category also belong to the second but tunes in the second don’t necessarily belong in the first.

I’m interested in the ones where the fiddle makes a sound like a chicken.

My list for the first category;

Cluck Old Hen
Chicken Reel
Cacklin’ Hen

There must be more!!!

Does anybody know more tunes that make any kind of chicken sound???






Pedro

ptigue - Posted - 09/28/2009:  07:33:20


Here in Alabama, we have a group named the Kudzu String Band who are the "official chicken song aficionados." Might could email Chip the fiddler. He may could help.

"I worried about it a little bit...but that's all" --John Hartford

Arkansas Traveller - Posted - 10/19/2009:  13:36:17


Chicken in the barnyard... by Glines Bowen Bates, Arkansas.
Scrathes and cackles...
'appy fiddlin'

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EarlCameron - Posted - 12/06/2009:  19:23:15


Jennie's Chickens is indeed in B dorian. In my opinion it is played with a squawk with the string crossing that suits the name well.

bj - Posted - 12/07/2009:  05:46:33


Wake Up Chicken, from Roscoe Parish

wormbower - Posted - 12/07/2009:  06:28:44


Here's my "chicken" tunes list:

Bake That Chicken Pie
Bunch Of Chickens
Chicken In The Barnyard
Chicken in the Bread Tray
Chicken In the Garden
Chicken Oh Chicken
Chicken Pie
Chicken Polka
Chicken Reel
Chicken, You Better Go Behind The Barn
Chickens Are A Crowing
Chickens Don't Roost
Crow Black Chicken
Grandma's Chicken
Hawk Caught the Chicken
Hawk Got A Chicken & Flew Into The Woods
Hawk Took the Chicken and Gone
Hawks Killed A Chicken
The Persistent Chicken
Pork fat makes my chicken tan
Pretty Crowin' Chicken
Somebody Else Is Getting It Where the Chicken Got the Axe
Jennie's Chickens
The Real Chicken
Wake Up Chicken
Walk Chalk Chicken
Why Do A Preacher Like Chicken So

As for roosters:

Oklahoma Rooster
Rise When the Rooster Crows
Kill The Shanghai Rooster
Rooster Crow Medley
Who Shot the Rooster
Cracklin' Hen And Rooster Too
Crow Little Rooster Fast
Red Rooster

Paul









Ozarkian D.L. - Posted - 12/07/2009:  11:28:32


WOW Worm, thet,s quite a list. U'd best squirm away a'for tha foul find ya.

BanjoBrad - Posted - 12/07/2009:  14:33:43


Now you've done it, Paul!

You'll be doing a solo recital at the poker game this week - all your chicken tunes!



-Brad

VivianW - Posted - 10/12/2010:  17:28:26


I missed this topic when it was active - but couldn't resist adding my two cents worth when I discovered it. I wrote and recorded a chicken tune which I called "Chicken Under the Washtub." It must be legitimate, because Jason Carter recorded it with the Del McCoury band. However, he added a lot of blue feathers to the original chicken! There's a very mild chicken squawk incorporated into the tune. Also a long story behind the title ... which I don't have time to go into now.

Didn't Kenny Baker write and record a tune called "Chicken Under the Back Porch"?

bj - Posted - 10/14/2010:  05:15:39


Vivian, this thread being resuscitated is like having an old and dear friend come to visit . . .

Humbled is usually the one doing resuscitation. Where is Humbled?

WoodshopFiddler - Posted - 10/14/2010:  14:48:31


quote:
Originally posted by bj

Vivian, this thread being resuscitated is like having an old and dear friend come to visit . . .

Humbled is usually the one doing resuscitation. Where is Humbled?



He is most likely trying to tune his Helicores. It takes a while, you know.

My chicken tunes:

Chickens Under the Front Porch
Chickens Three Feet High

bj - Posted - 08/28/2011:  16:35:33



Old Ladies Pickin' Chickens (thanks, Brett!)


NCarolinaFiddler - Posted - 08/28/2011:  17:00:40



I've only been pecking away at cluck ol' hen. Didn't realize there were so many chicken tunes. Which reminds me of all the Jenny tunes there are too.


carlb - Posted - 08/29/2011:  06:04:36



quote:


Originally posted by ChickenMan

Somebody Else is Getting it Where the Chicken got the A-X-E (from the Henry Reed Collection)

memory.loc.gov/afc/afcreed/137...03b04.mp3

From the website: "This jaunty air was a popular song first published in 1892, as 'Where the chicken got the axe.'" 





 Very different from the one in Marion Thede "The Fiddle Book", "Where the Chicken Got the Axe", p. 125



Also, another song, not yet mentioned "Under the Chicken Tree" from Earl McDonald's Original Louisville Jug Band (JPCD-1502-2), a real gem.


Tom Elder - Posted - 08/29/2011:  15:42:58


You fiddle folks are great with the bird sounds and imitation of other natural sounds,,i have seen a steel guitar player get some of these,the irish pipers get the hunting dog sounds really well,now back to your regular scheduled topic.Tom



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