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HawksEye - Posted - 06/26/2011:  09:59:28



I recently received a phone call from someone who responded to a fiddle hangout classified.  He figured out that someone else is fraudulently advertising my violin for sale, in a list, along with other instruments.  I don't know if the other instruments are legit, I only know that one isn't.



I have e-mailed Eric, and I expect the ad will be taken down, but please... BUYER BEWARE.  Research your instruments.  Google direct quotes from the e-mail response to your inquiry. He used my own descriptions in his e-mail response, they would show up in my ad.  The fraud is at   fiddlehangout.com/classified/     but include the numbers     30   and   65     after the / at  the end of the link. 


rosinhead - Posted - 06/26/2011:  10:24:12



Shame to think our beloved FHO is being exploited.  I'm always cautious when dealing online due to the fact that it is far easier to be fooled in this crazy mess called the worldwide web.   Thanks for the heads-up on this post.


giannaviolins - Posted - 06/26/2011:  11:36:50


The biggest frauds are still in person.

HawksEye - Posted - 06/26/2011:  11:51:24



quote:


Originally posted by giannaviolins




The biggest frauds are still in person.







giannaviolins - Posted - 06/26/2011:  12:08:44


? = there are limits to what people will commit online or via intermediaries. The biggest frauds take a confidence man. The fellow who will smooth assurances sells a fake to an unsuspecting and now trusting victim. These fellows can take years to come to light.

For example, there was a fellow would sell folks rare Italian violins, then charge them money to store and maintain the items, periodically sending them glowing reports on the instruments' appreciation. This was a pretty big fraud. Amounts of money nobody would spring loose on the basis of a classified ad.

rosinhead - Posted - 06/26/2011:  12:17:04



Yeah, I'm not sure I get the meaning behind that statement either.  I can see that fraudulent activity can come from many angles, but IMO it would be much easier to get one over on someone thru the web or mail.  It all depends on the amount of trust the buyer is willing to give an unknown party I suppose.  Maybe it is just that his fraud experiences have been more up close with folks he has done business with.  Just speculating on a rainy Sunday here.


fiddlepogo - Posted - 06/26/2011:  14:40:51



quote:


Originally posted by giannaviolins




? = there are limits to what people will commit online or via intermediaries. The biggest frauds take a confidence man. The fellow who will smooth assurances sells a fake to an unsuspecting and now trusting victim. These fellows can take years to come to light.



For example, there was a fellow would sell folks rare Italian violins, then charge them money to store and maintain the items, periodically sending them glowing reports on the instruments' appreciation. This was a pretty big fraud. Amounts of money nobody would spring loose on the basis of a classified ad.






He's talking about Bernie Madoff type scenarios- whether involving violins or not.  I agree.  While you can lose hundreds of dollars in an online deal, maybe thousands, it gets much worse in person.



Some older friends AND many of their circle of friends recently lost their life savings due to a "friend" who was a con man/ investment swindler>.


giannaviolins - Posted - 06/26/2011:  16:35:03


Yup. That's the way it works. Takes a real person (usually) [or a bank] to really pull the big bucks out of people.

RossClan - Posted - 06/27/2011:  07:28:40


I did a little checking on some of his other listed instruments, and in every case I checked, there was a previous FHO ad posted with the same instrument. I'll bet the whole list is fraudulent.



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