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Teufelhunden54 - Posted - 09/02/2010: 14:15:34
What do y'all think of the tune Big Scioty? It has grabbed me and won't let go. There is a video by Ally Bain on YouTube with Jay Ungar and a host of great musicians. I think it was named after a river in Ohio or somewheres.
oldtimestrings - Posted - 09/02/2010: 14:19:00
Love it. One of my favorite G tunes. It can be played real old-timey (double stops, syncopated bowing), or bluegrassy (lots of single-note activity and chromaticism). Ohio, yes.
ChickenMan - Posted - 09/02/2010: 15:32:15
I love it too, but there seems to be two ways to play back up on it -
the way I prefer (which I think follows the melody better - B part) involves going to an Em and then a C.
The grassers I play with seem to like going to the C first then the Em - just seems wrong.
Also, I initially learned it as a crooked tune with a repeat of the 2nd to last measure before the end measure,
but no one else seems to play it that way so I almost never do anymore.
Scioto River, I think, but I've never seen it written as a tune title that way - Scioty, Sciota, yes, but never Scioto.
I believe it's pronounced Sy-Oh-Tee most of the time - maybe someone from there could tell us.
There is a Sciota in Pennsylvania, Illinois and Michigan (Sciota Township)
AND a USS Sciota that was used as a blockade ship during the US Civil War.
robinja - Posted - 09/02/2010: 15:33:49
Love it! David Bass plays a really nice version on his Killer Grits CD - kind of slow and groovy with an E minor in the A part.
mudbug - Posted - 09/02/2010: 15:45:38
Great version. It's no wonder everyone was grinning. I have to say, of course Aly and Jay were wonderful, but Russ on guitar, Jerry on dobro and Molly on bass all added the perfect parts. I need to learn to play this, eventually.
Lonesome Fiddler - Posted - 09/02/2010: 15:47:30
One of my favorite tunes. Very strong. And one of the most difficult for me to get my fingers around.
DougD - Posted - 09/02/2010: 16:18:38
Here's the YouTube clip Teufelhunden54 is talking about: youtube.com/watch?v=Gyj7m0QdFkM I think the chords follow ChickenMan's preference, and everyone is having a really good time.
And here's the river the tune is named for: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scioto_River
I think I first heard this one from the Hot mud Family, I remember playing it in a big circle in their dining room in Dayton, and trying to figure out the chords - good tune.
Edited by - DougD on 09/02/2010 16:19:37
OTJunky - Posted - 09/02/2010: 16:48:04
I like those transatlantic sessions a lot - but I sure wish they'd mic Barenberg's guitar...
--OTJ
DougD - Posted - 09/02/2010: 16:59:53
Really? It seems about right to me, but I'm a guitar player and find I sometimes undermix it. Speaking literally, there is a mic just below the guitar in that clip.
OTJunky - Posted - 09/02/2010: 17:42:13
I dunno - it's OK on the rhythm, but seems like his break ought to be louder and his tone ought to be better. The break sounds like he's just playing on some cheap guitar even though I'm pretty sure it would be hard to find a better one. But both the volume and tone on Jerry Douglas' break sound right to me.
Maybe it's just my computer speakers - or my peculiar taste. No accounting for the latter..
--OTJ
DougD - Posted - 09/02/2010: 18:02:39
Maybe you're right, Paul. When you get right down to it, I'm not that critical - the good feeling of that video is mostly what gets me. In most of the Transatlantic session clips Russ is playing a wartime J-45 - I don't know what this guitar is - maybe it caught the engineers by surprise, although I assume this was multitracked, with plenty of opportunity for correction. I'm just listening on the smallest possible computer speakers too, though. (I also have JBL studio monitors in front of me, but I don't usually switch over unless I'm working, and that takes all the fun out of it!)
carlb - Posted - 09/02/2010: 21:49:19
Here's the source from the Fiddler's Companion
ibiblio.org/fiddlers/
BIG SCIOTY/SCIOTA, THE. Old#8209;Time, Breakdown. USA, West Virginia. G Major. Standard tuning. AABB. A popular tune in the old#8209;time revival repertoire. It is named for the Scioto/Sciota (pronunciations vary) River, which flows through Ohio and empties into the Ohio River. The source for most of the versions, Marlinton, West Virginia, fiddler Burl Hammons, evidently played different versions of the tune (or perhaps it was a tune in evolution), for recordings of his playing by different collectors reveal variations of the melody. These different versions have influenced different revival bands #8209;#8209; contrast, for example, the Red Clay Rambler's version (learned from a 1970 field recording of Hammons by Malcolm Owen, Blanton Owen and Bert Levy) with versions based on the Alan Jabbour#8209;collected recording of Burl which appears on the Library of Congress recording "The Hammons Family." Alan Jabbour says Burl simply irregularly repeated phrases within the tune, “making it wonderfully crooked. In my memory, he adds repeated phrases not just in the second (low) strain but in the first (high) as well. In both cases the candidate for possible repetition is the third phrase.” (Fiddle-L 12/06/04). See John Salyer’s “Kentucky Winder” for a Magoffin County, Ky., variant of “Big Sciota.” Sources for notated versions: Burl Hammonds (Marlinton, West Virginia).
A list of recordings (under all three spellings) can be found at:
ibiblio.org/folkindex/
Doug, Fixed first link.
Edited by - carlb on 09/03/2010 08:30:24
DougD - Posted - 09/03/2010: 05:59:18
Carl, your first link doesn't work for some reason. Here's the page at the Fiddler's Companion: ibiblio.org/fiddlers/BI_BILE.htm There are a couple versions in abc notation there too.
Peghead - Posted - 09/03/2010: 08:02:59
I've heard several older versions that had crooked B parts. I was told it got evened out somewhere along the line so it could be played for dances. Either way it's a good one.
Edited by - Peghead on 09/03/2010 08:06:42
Diane in Chicago - Posted - 09/03/2010: 09:15:57
Oooh, I want to hear the crooked one! Anyone know of a link?
ChickenMan - Posted - 09/03/2010: 11:05:18
I'll post my crooked version when I get off work today.
Tobias - Posted - 09/03/2010: 13:54:38
quote:
Originally posted by DougD
Diane, I think this is the source of all versions - you can sample it here (as "Big Society): amazon.com/Traditions-West-Vir...4&s=music Lots of other good tunes there too.
Love that Burl Hammons recording of The Big Scioty. When I heard newer more "straightened out" interpretations, I really miss that weirdness that he had in that tune. The commonly heard version I think represents a whole new tune, created by festival or jam sessions. It's nice, but kind of a different tune all together. Folk process I guess. Bosco plays a version based on Burl that's really nice: fiddlehangout.com/myhangout/mu...sp?ID=28#/Tobias
bsed - Posted - 09/03/2010: 19:11:45
quote:
Originally posted by Diane in Chicago
Oooh, I want to hear the crooked one! Anyone know of a link?
Dwight Diller, a WV banjo player of incredible repute, plays it crooked. Makes you not want to play it straight anymore!
Edited by - bsed on 09/03/2010 19:12:34
bosco - Posted - 09/04/2010: 01:22:29
quote:
Originally posted by carlb
Alan Jabbour says Burl simply irregularly repeated phrases within the tune, “making it wonderfully crooked. In my memory, he adds repeated phrases not just in the second (low) strain but in the first (high) as well. In both cases the candidate for possible repetition is the third phrase.”
I've heard several recordings of Burl playing this tune. Yes, he irregularly repeated phrases especially on the Jabbour 's recording. Not only repeated, he sometime skipped the phrase in low part. Tobias, glad you like my version  I will post another crooked Big Scioty based on Sherman Hammons' version when his birthday comes  Bosco p.s. As a chord minimalist,. I stay in C instead of Em.
Edited by - bosco on 09/04/2010 01:24:22
Runaway - Posted - 09/04/2010: 08:19:08
This song goes really well with leather britches if you stick it in a medly
DougD - Posted - 09/05/2010: 08:43:17
Does Josh Williams introduce this as "an old Monroe tune?" How far we've come.
I've got my Hammons family LP set on a pile of things to digitize. This thread is going to get me moving on that project!
Tobias - Posted - 09/05/2010: 08:54:41
quote:
Originally posted by DougD
Does Josh Williams introduce this as "an old Monroe tune?" How far we've come.
OMG!!! He DOES called it an old Bill Monroe song!!! I never cared for any of the bluegrass versions. Maybe their lack of knowledge about the source of this tune is to blame.
Edited by - Tobias on 09/05/2010 13:37:17
OTJunky - Posted - 09/05/2010: 08:58:04
Did Monroe record Big Scioty?
--OTJ
dmiller - Posted - 09/05/2010: 13:06:04
quote:
Originally posted by OTJunky
Did Monroe record Big Scioty?
--OTJ
No.
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